Changes for Round 8 v Hawthorn

[Melbourne_Blood]

Out Blakey COR Warner
In Reid Squizzy Gould

I like this , maybe Maibaum over Reid though if he’s not quite ready . Would also be nice to see Bell rewarded for some consistent reserves level footy, but not sure at who’s expense.


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[Ludwig]

Candidates for out: O'Roirdan(injured), Stoddart (worst AFL Player Rating Points in the game yesterday, played only 65% of the time, just more than O'Roirdan), Warner and Blakey
Candidates for in: Maibaum, Bell, Lewis Taylor, Reid, Wicks, Foot ...

Actually Stoddart was ranked 10th with 57 points. He had 16 possessions. He did have 6 clangers (same as Mills). It was noticeable that he often kicked directly to the opposition, but most of those were under heavy pressure. I think he's coming along okay, but needs to find a way to deal with the pressure other than just kicking wildly just to get the ball out of his hands. It's not unusual for inexperienced players to take time to get used to the speed of the game. This will be particularly true this season, due to reductions in training and match practice.

Agree that Warner and Blakey should be dropped.

[Markwebbos]

Interesting one for Warner as he’s being played totally out of position for an inside mid as a pressure forward. Had 16 pressure acts (ranked 5).

Is it better to bring in Taylor for the short term or keep playing Warner for the long term?

I think the club has already decided this year is a write off and to “play the kids”

[MattW]

Actually Stoddart was ranked 10th with 57 points. He had 16 possessions. He did have 6 clangers (same as Mills). It was noticeable that he often kicked directly to the opposition, but most of those were under heavy pressure. I think he's coming along okay, but needs to find a way to deal with the pressure other than just kicking wildly just to get the ball out of his hands. It's not unusual for inexperienced players to take time to get used to the speed of the game. This will be particularly true this season, due to reductions in training and match practice.

Agree that Warner and Blakey should be dropped.

Stoddart's 16 possessions were the most he's gathered in his 6 game career, beating last week's 10.

I would also like to see him be given a chance to show his can improve his disposal in games. I don't see the point in dropping him now. I'd love to see him run more, too.

[Aaron]

Actually Stoddart was ranked 10th with 57 points. He had 16 possessions. He did have 6 clangers (same as Mills).

- that 57 points is AF - Fantasy Points / Dream Team Points. Not the Rating Points (From Twitter) I referred to, which focused on effectiveness, pressure and impact to the game results. In fact, his disposal efficiency was the lowest of the team - just 43.8% and had just 1 tackle! Stoddart played 2 games in 2018, 2 games in 2019 and now 2 games again in 2020 and only improved a little. I think we should give a chance to the others to show if they can do better. By the way, his Super Coach Points ranked 18th in the team, just better than ET, Warner, Blakey and O'Rio. Below I'll post the Rating Points I referred to.

[MattW]

- that 57 points is AF - Fantasy Points / Dream Team Points. Not the Rating Points (From Twitter) I referred to, which focused on effectiveness, pressure and impact to the game results. In fact, his disposal efficiency was the lowest of the team - just 43.8% and had just 1 tackle! Stoddart played 2 games in 2018, 2 games in 2019 and now 2 games again in 2020 and only improved a little. I think we should give a chance to the others to show if they can do better. By the way, his Super Coach Points ranked 18th in the team, just better than ET, Warner, Blakey and O'Rio. Below I'll post the Rating Points I referred to.

Who would you replace him with (not also that O'Riordan is an expected out)?

[Aaron]

[Aaron]

Who would you replace him with (not also that O'Riordan is an expected out)?

I hope Bell can do a better job or at least he should be given a chance to prove that.

[Aaron]

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[Ludwig]

We know that Stoddart is fine in the skills department. The question is whether he can get enough of the ball and can he improve his decision making. His 16 disposals is a good sign that he can find the ball. Most young players take a while to adjust to the speed of the game and are prone to decision making errors under pressure. I noticed that with many of Stoddart's kicks he had little choice but to hoist the ball down field, and unfortunately there always seemed to be a GC player waiting for it. It wasn't that his disposal was poor. I think he can improve on his weaknesses and will become a good player once he has 20-30 games.

[dejavoodoo44]

We know that Stoddart is fine in the skills department. The question is whether he can get enough of the ball and can he improve his decision making. His 16 disposals is a good sign that he can find the ball. Most young players take a while to adjust to the speed of the game and are prone to decision making errors under pressure. I noticed that with many of Stoddart's kicks he had little choice but to hoist the ball down field, and unfortunately there always seemed to be a GC player waiting for it. It wasn't that his disposal was poor. I think he can improve on his weaknesses and will become a good player once he has 20-30 games.

Yes, with dump kicks under pressure, there's a large amount of luck involved. The two main options for a player, are often, to either hang on to the ball and probably get done for holding it, or get a quick handball to someone who may be under the same amount of pressure, which often just makes a turnover more likely. With human attention being what it is, the major thing occupying a player's mind, is the closing defenders, closely followed by nearby team mates. It's likely that downfield options are only vaguely glimpsed. But roosting the ball downfield, has the advantage that a possible turnover occurs further away from your defence. And if it happens to find a team mate, then you're just that little bit more likely to score. So, there is an advantage in trying a dump kick, but I tend to think that it's often luck, whether a player gets lauded for launching a successful attack, or derided for turning it over.

Actually, there's been a few games that I've watched this season, where I thought the main difference between the sides, was not effort, skill or umpiring, but how one side just seemed to have more luck, in whether their kicks under pressure, bounced into the arms of a grateful team mate.

[Blood Fever]

Yes, with dump kicks under pressure, there's a large amount of luck involved. The two main options for a player, are often, to either hang on to the ball and probably get done for holding it, or get a quick handball to someone who may be under the same amount of pressure, which often just makes a turnover more likely. With human attention being what it is, the major thing occupying a player's mind, is the closing defenders, closely followed by nearby team mates. It's likely that downfield options are only vaguely glimpsed. But roosting the ball downfield, has the advantage that a possible turnover occurs further away from your defence. And if it happens to find a team mate, then you're just that little bit more likely to score. So, there is an advantage in trying a dump kick, but I tend to think that it's often luck, whether a player gets lauded for launching a successful attack, or derided for turning it over.

Actually, there's been a few games that I've watched this season, where I thought the main difference between the sides, was not effort, skill or umpiring, but how one side just seemed to have more luck, in whether their kicks under pressure, bounced into the arms of a grateful team mate.

Was thinking during the game how we had no luck in this regard. Also we kept getting in each other's way a lot. Trying too hard probably and a lot were not used to playing with each other. Work in progress but a little bit of luck doesn't hurt.

[Aprilbr]

I see one of Mcinerny or Stoddard in the team but not both. Personally, I prefer Mc because he seems to have more speed and dash; attributes that we have lacked in recent years. Stoddard does not take the game on enough in my view, and certainly kicks to poor options too often at this stage in his career. Having said all of that, he probably did enough to hold his spot for next round. Looking at others, I can't see Blakey or Warner being retained in the side for next week. It would be great to get Reid back if he is ready and Allir (who seems to have a serious case of the fumbles at present) back in defence. I don't see Allir as a natural forward despite his 2 goals yesterday.

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[aardvark]

Blakey is the one who worries me. He's looking like a park footballer more and more.

[AB Swannie]

Stoddart is a quandary for me. I was at the game yesterday and live he just looked a level below. Can’t knock his effort but whether it was nerves, pressure, or confidence, he just didn’t seem to have it. On the other hand, I also believe in giving young players a few goes so I’d be happy for him to stay as he might just need a few good moments to believe in himself before going to the next level.