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  • bloodspirit
    Clubman
    • Apr 2015
    • 4448

    #91
    I just had a look at the article: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/why-swans-stood-down-taylor-but-pies-let-de-goey-play-20200916-p55wcl.html.

    There is some serious disingenuity. It is repeatedly stated that Collingwood and De Goey don't know anything about the details of the crime he is charged with. For instance:

    Collingwood, on the other hand, do not know the detail of the allegations against their player. De Goey and his lawyer Tony Hargreaves have not yet received the brief for the charge, despite several requests.
    Collingwood's position is that they cannot stand down De Goey when the club does not know the nature of the allegations. De Goey has told the club he does not know what happened to bring the charges.That the police have not yet detailed the charges against De Goey has taken the decision on his immediate playing future out of Collingwood's, and the AFL's, hands.


    Once the Magpies know what's been alleged against their star, they will have to make a call. It's easy to let him play when there's nothing specific to defend.

    This is such bollocks! While it is possible De Goey has not received the brief of evidence, he and his lawyer will certainly have a copy of the facts the police alleged when the charge was laid. This will set out the details of the crime the police are alleging. Without this the charge could not have been laid. The brief contains the evidence and gives a clearer indication of the strength of the case, not the details of the allegations.

    Despite this, there are some valid points and it may well be a reasonable decision not to stand De Goey down. If the club have no idea of the strength of the case and he could be facing years before the case is resolved and he may or may not ever be found guilty, I think that is a reasonable basis to allow him to keep playing in the interim.
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    • Bloody Hell
      Senior Player
      • Oct 2006
      • 3085

      #92
      Originally posted by AnnieH
      No. Kinnear didn't get it wrong.
      The kid has awesome football skills - we're a football club, remember.
      Pity he has just pissed them up a wall.
      Originally posted by AnnieH
      I doubt he was classed a dickhead at the recruitment level.
      He was chosen on his football abilities - which he has in abundance.
      Such a pity he chose the wrong path.
      Absolutely it is considered at the recruitment level - otherwise why interview players? Why meet with the family?

      As such a champion of the No Dickheads policy I'm surprised you think picking players with good temperament is just luck!
      The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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      • AnnieH
        RWOs Black Sheep
        • Aug 2006
        • 11332

        #93
        Originally posted by Bloody Hell
        Absolutely it is considered at the recruitment level - otherwise why interview players? Why meet with the family?

        As such a champion of the No Dickheads policy I'm surprised you think picking players with good temperament is just luck!
        The kid was deemed to have a "good temperament"... otherwise he wouldn't have been picked up.
        Sometimes, kids just do REALLY stupid things.
        Like allegedly hit a woman.
        He won't be here next year anyway, so it's a moot point.
        Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
        Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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        • Aprilbr
          Senior Player
          • Oct 2016
          • 1803

          #94
          To think we gave him the famous Adam Goodes number 37!

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          • Steve
            Regular in the Side
            • Jan 2003
            • 676

            #95
            Elijah Taylor

            Originally posted by barracuda
            I think the thing with Elijah is that he is racking up repeated mistakes, despite all the help. He has so far two potential assaults, plus a breach of wa covid laws, despite express instructions. One off mistakes can be dealt with, but repeated can mean the person can’t be changed.
            I think this is the sad, underlying issue.

            To keep him in the hub wouldn’t have achieved anything - just kept him from making more poor choices for a short while.

            It was the right call to stand him down, but hardly a difficult one given he was already away from the hub and suspended for the rest of the season anyway.

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            • Captain
              Captain of the Side
              • Feb 2004
              • 3602

              #96
              Menzel now in trouble...

              We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

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              • stevoswan
                Veterans List
                • Sep 2014
                • 8557

                #97
                Originally posted by Captain
                Menzel now in trouble...

                We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph
                Wow....I always thought that Menzel was a little unlucky to be delisted. I wanted him to stay.....maybe there was more to his delisting. The apparent incident happened last year.....mmmm.

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                • Meg
                  Go Swannies!
                  Site Admin
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 4828

                  #98
                  Elijah Taylor

                  Originally posted by stevoswan
                  Wow....I always thought that Menzel was a little unlucky to be delisted. I wanted him to stay.....maybe there was more to his delisting. The apparent incident happened last year.....mmmm.
                  The alleged incident reportedly happened after Menzel’s delisting.

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                  • stevoswan
                    Veterans List
                    • Sep 2014
                    • 8557

                    #99
                    Originally posted by Meg
                    The alleged incident reportedly happened after Menzel’s delisting.
                    Thanks for that Meg.....good to know. Hopefully (and this is no excuse for his alleged actions) it wasn't caused by a negative reaction to his delisting....you know, 'pressure' and all those other excuses men come up with after they do these inexcusable things. Either way, silly boy....

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                    • sharp9
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 2508

                      Originally posted by Captain
                      Menzel now in trouble...

                      We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph
                      What does it say?
                      "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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                      • Captain
                        Captain of the Side
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 3602

                        Former Sydney Swans player Daniel Menzel has been charged by police with sexual touching.

                        A NSW Police spokeswoman confirmed on Wednesday police had charged the 29-year-old over an alleged incident in Bondi late last year.

                        “On April 29 2020, a then aged 28-year-old man was charged with sexually touching another person without consent in relation to an incident at Bondi in November 2019,” the spokeswoman said.

                        “He is next due to appear at Waverley Local Court on Tuesday October 27 2020.”

                        Court records show Menzel was mentioned in Waverley Local Court last Tuesday.

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                        • Bloody Hell
                          Senior Player
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 3085

                          Originally posted by Captain
                          sexual touching
                          This is weird, but I don't think I've come across this term before in a context between a man and a woman. It sounds like something you would use to describe a pedo.

                          Is groping not used anymore? Is this a legal term?
                          The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                          • AnnieH
                            RWOs Black Sheep
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 11332

                            ET has pleaded guilty.
                            We won't see him at the club next year.
                            AFL news 2020: Elijah Taylor guilty of assaulting girlfriend, Lekahni Pearce
                            Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                            Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                            • dejavoodoo44
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 8635

                              Well, that's one delisting for next year sorted. I'm assuming that there's a provision in AFL contracts, that allows a club to delist a contracted player, if they commit a jailable offence.

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                              • Captain
                                Captain of the Side
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 3602

                                If the Swans are serious, they will have a White Ribbon game next year, and every year thereafter.

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