2020 Draft - Pick #3

[Captain]

I'm worried that with no U18 this year, it is going to be incredibly tough to get picks right. Pick 3 might be as useful as pick 33.

Accordingly, I would be more than happy to trade it away and back our recruiting staff in to find some decent players with later picks.

[caj23]

IIRC, the next the next KPF is a fair way down the list, so if the first three are gone, then it should be best available player.

Which is one reason why I'm not totally adverse to making a play for Sideshow Ben. Yes, he does have a silly long run up, and yes, he does get some frees for going down too easily. However, he usually kicks straight at the end of that long run and we could probably harden him up a bit. I also think that he's been harshly treated by North, so he should be keen to prove them wrong. And North have been behaving in quite a desperate manner, so whoever gets him, might end up paying unders. It might even end up a Ted Richards, Craig Bolton type signing.

Aside from his lack of defensive pressure, Brown needs space to lead into, he's not going to get that at the SCG. Pass

[Markwebbos]

I'm worried that with no U18 this year, it is going to be incredibly tough to get picks right. Pick 3 might be as useful as pick 33.

Accordingly, I would be more than happy to trade it away and back our recruiting staff in to find some decent players with later picks.

I agree. This is a riskier draft than usual for that reason, although the SA and WA players have exposed form.

Picking talls that high in the draft carries additional risk.

That’s why I can see us splitting pick 3 or taking a mid and/or trying to get another pick for a bargain tall slider.

[dejavoodoo44]

I agree. This is a riskier draft than usual for that reason, although the SA and WA players have exposed form.

Picking talls that high in the draft carries additional risk.

That’s why I can see us splitting pick 3 or taking a mid and/or trying to get another pick for a bargain tall slider.

Yes, it will be interesting to see how things change after the draft combine. There might be a few sliders on the boards of the draft gurus.

[dejavoodoo44]

Aside from his lack of defensive pressure, Brown needs space to lead into, he's not going to get that at the SCG. Pass

The dimensions of North's two home grounds and the SCG:
Marvel Stadium - 160m - 129m
Blundstone Arena - 160m - 124m
SCG - 155m - 136m.

So there's two ways at looking at that. Firstly, the SCG is wider than both Marvel and Blundstone, so there's actually more space inside 50 at the SCG. Or there's a 2.5 metre difference from the centre to the goals, which might mean a very small compression of space, when attacking from the centre, but is largely irrelevant when rebounding.

[AB Swannie]

I'm worried that with no U18 this year, it is going to be incredibly tough to get picks right. Pick 3 might be as useful as pick 33.

Accordingly, I would be more than happy to trade it away and back our recruiting staff in to find some decent players with later picks.

I disagree and think it’s the other way around. Due to a lack of games, we actually know a heap more about pick 3 than 33. At the top end of the draft we know a lot about because they played significant roles as underaged players in their teams including the championships last year. They also played for the academy and in the grand final day game. Out of the Victorian boys, we know that Hollands and Phillips are good because they have the runs in the board. Sure, pick 33 might be a star too but it is roulette at that point.

That is why I believe we are in a terrific position this year - we will take three players that we know a lot about. One of McDonald, Thilthorpe, Hollands, or Phillips + Campbell + Gulden is a great haul. Don’t get cute with it.

[Ludwig]

My preference is to trade pick 3 if opportunities present themselves to recruit a good ruckman and key forward. It's hard to say at this point if we can recruit a player like Ladhams, for example.

If the trade period unfolds such that we get Daniher as a FA and someone like Preuss or Wright with a 3rd round pick, then we take pick 3 to the draft and take the best available player.

In general, I feel we can do better using pick 3 for a more experienced player to fill key position roles than starting with an 18 yo, who will take years to get up to speed.

[Bloody Hell]

In general, I feel we can do better using pick 3 for a more experienced player to fill key position roles than starting with an 18 yo, who will take years to get up to speed.

If we were in a premiership window, fair enough. But we're not. Let the team grow together. If you pick a KP at #3, and are able to trade in a ruck, it's alot of boxes ticked. As noted, good KP's are hard to find.

If we get Daniher, you still need 2 KP's... by the time Reid retires, #3 should be ready for to take the mantle.

[SwanSand]

Maybe we could do a deal with 2 different clubs and downgrade ourselves in the draft to pick 7.
Give away pick 3 to Geelong for 2 picks in return 11 and 15 and maybe give a lower draft pick back. Obviously Geelong must think that they are going to get an amazing player with pick 3. But may be they have a decent list so they dont need so many picks.
Give the 2 draft picks to Carlton in return for pick 7, 2nd and 3rd rounder. They are going to need 2 picks in first round to get Zac williams and Adam Saad.
Get a good player with pick 7 and not to get into deficit next year with academy bids.

The only problem is that there are teams between pick 4 and 6 - Hawthorn, Essendon, gold coast who may select Braeden Campbell.

So it will only depend on where do our recruiters mark Campbell and what do they think they are going to get before him and is it a big loss if we lose pick 3.

[Bloody Hell]

Other: "ROK is hot"
The staple "other" option for years. ;-)

I actually thought about it, but I didn't know if it was way past it's use by date as a joke...

[Bloody Hell]

IIRC, the next the next KPF is a fair way down the list, so if the first three are gone, then it should be best available player.

There is a key defender projected to be top 10 (Grainger-Barrass - I don't think he's a great pick) - but there is actually a 4th KP forward who could be better/as good as the others, but has done both ACL's and not played much football post U16's, so total roll of the dice, both medically and in terms of ability/development.

I've seen other clubs fans dreaming that he'll fall to their pick at 40 something, but I'm sure someone will take a punt on him inside #25. His vision looks OK - Kaine Baldwin.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=766789997110569

[Ludwig]

Maybe we could do a deal with 2 different clubs and downgrade ourselves in the draft to pick 7.
Give away pick 3 to Geelong for 2 picks in return 11 and 15 and maybe give a lower draft pick back.

I think this could be a good draft night strategy. If McDonald and Thilthorpe go before pick 3, then we could trade down to get into a position to take a 'lower rated' KPF plus enough points to cover the Campbell bid. This strategy, like everything else on draft night, will depend on who we get in the trade period.

[0918330512]

There is a key defender projected to be top 10 (Grainger-Barrass - I don't think he's a great pick) - but there is actually a 4th KP forward who could be better/as good as the others, but has done both ACL's and not played much football post U16's, so total roll of the dice, both medically and in terms of ability/development.

I've seen other clubs fans dreaming that he'll fall to their pick at 40 something, but I'm sure someone will take a punt on him inside #25. His vision looks OK - Kaine Baldwin.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=766789997110569

Who teaches kids these days to kick set shots for goal? So many of them shuffle, stumble, stutter and skip their way towards goal, it’s a wonder they done trip over their own feet before they get boot to ball! I just watched footage of Lockett, Coventry (could only find 1) Dunstall, Wade and Ablett Snr. Apart from one shot by Ablett that had a couple of tiny skips, the thing that the 5 greatest goal kickers of all time have in common is they the have a deliberate, measured and steady approach for set shots. We won’t easily see another 100 goal a season forward or 1000 career goal player because too many players today because whoever teaches them (or whoever they emulate during their formative developmental years seem to want to teach them to approach their set shots a baby giraffe learning to walk.

[stevoswan]

There is a key defender projected to be top 10 (Grainger-Barrass - I don't think he's a great pick) - but there is actually a 4th KP forward who could be better/as good as the others, but has done both ACL's and not played much football post U16's, so total roll of the dice, both medically and in terms of ability/development.

I've seen other clubs fans dreaming that he'll fall to their pick at 40 something, but I'm sure someone will take a punt on him inside #25. His vision looks OK - Kaine Baldwin.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=766789997110569

Good pair of hands, good set shot and footy smarts. Looks promising.

[stevoswan]

Who teaches kids these days to kick set shots for goal? So many of them shuffle, stumble, stutter and skip their way towards goal, it’s a wonder they done trip over their own feet before they get boot to ball! I just watched footage of Lockett, Coventry (could only find 1) Dunstall, Wade and Ablett Snr. Apart from one shot by Ablett that had a couple of tiny skips, the thing that the 5 greatest goal kickers of all time have in common is they the have a deliberate, measured and steady approach for set shots. We won’t easily see another 100 goal a season forward or 1000 career goal player because too many players today because whoever teaches them (or whoever they emulate during their formative developmental years seem to want to teach them to approach their set shots a baby giraffe learning to walk.

I get your point and as a well taught kick, I find it a little frustrating.....but if they kick straight consistently, I don't care what style run in they have.