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  • Ralph Dawg
    Senior Player
    • Apr 2018
    • 1729

    Originally posted by bandwagon
    I just caught the replay on Kayo, and from that limited viewpoint I thought Stephens was quite good. He was busy all day, however his disposal was certainly inconsistent. Clarke played a similar game, but appeared to be more aware of his limitations, so was tidier with his disposal.
    Brand i thought was solid - Sam Day is a pretty good opponent. However he played a negating role (which might have been useful in the seniors), and was not prominent offensively. O'Riordan I thought played the opposite of this - looking to play on and bring the ball through the corridor, but sometimes took too many risks.
    Ling and Gould were ok without really standing out. Gould is a 20yo key position player so I am prepared to be patient with him, however Ling is 22 and been 4 years in the system. If you didn't know his draft position there would be no talk of giving him a run in the seniors. Hope he plays out of his skin in the back half of the year.
    I'm surprised Sinclair was given best on. The Suns played without a proper ruck and still seemed to get the majority of clearances. However this may be just because our centre square combination was out-played by Fiorini & Brodie. I thought our best was McLean.
    Another player missing from the bests was Ronke. Ran really hard all game, minded his opponent and created offensively. I wouldn't mind seeing him back in the seniors.
    I agree about Ronke. Plenty of energy in his game and he physically looks good - clearly been working on his strength during his rehab. Wouldn't be surprised to see him come in for Wicks with Gulden to return via VFL.

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    • mcs
      Travelling Swannie!!
      • Jul 2007
      • 8149

      Originally posted by chalbilto
      Matty, I think that the NRL coaches would teach the players to tackle ball and all together with bring them to ground. It would be a lot more difficult to give a hand ball from falling to and being on the ground. I remember how Paul Bevan used to tackle, a pleasure to watch.
      Much the way Heeney generally tackles too. I think our tackling is a significant level below in general our best (going back to the mid 2010s and of course the 05/06 teams). Still too many tackles at both reserves and seniors level easily broken - part of that is a young list with immature bodies, part of that I think is the technique isn't what it once was. Should be a key focus for mine in coming years.
      "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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      • bloodspirit
        Clubman
        • Apr 2015
        • 4448

        Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
        Blakey. If he can produce another strong game off HB, he should come into consideration. We have lacked drive of HB, especially by foot with no one really taking the defence on.

        McLean. Jiath absolutely murdered us last night. Heeney was on him but did not make him accountable and he was able to do as he pleased in defence. McLean was great at running the opposition's key defender out of the play and a strong showing could bring him into contention, especially given how quiet Logan was last night.
        Blakey looks a fabulous prospect as a rebounder. I'd like to think he can also learn to use his speed and height to be an excellent interceptor too. But I haven't yet seen evidence he is a defender He needs to keep working hard in the 2s and bang down the door for a recall. And it shouldn't be easy with the returning talent: Warner will come back into the senior team and Gulden and Campbell won't be far behind. Stephens and especially Blakey need to work for it. Blakey has 50 games of senior experience and needs to be way more consistent, especially within games.

        If Heeney couldn't keep Jiath honest I'm not sure McLean would have either. McLean might come back in but that would be at Amartey's expense and not otherwise (barring injury).

        Ronke to hopefully put pressure on Wicks for his spot. I wonder if there's any chance we would play Ronke, Wicks and Papley in the same team with Ronke coming in for Hayward? Would love to see Ronke return to his best. It's been a long time since we've seen it but he has been dealing with injuries. Ronke's best is best 22. I rewatched highlights of his third ever match against the Hawks and gee they were great - his 2nd, 6th and 7th goals in particular.

        Lloyd and Cunningham both pulled up sore after our Hawks match. Most likely they will recover in time but if not could be a chance for another defender. Wonder whether they'll give Ling a go? More likely they'll return to COR. And, if they don't, that would be worrying and sad for him. Just as he looked on the cusp of breaking into the best 22 before he was injured last year.
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        • Ludwig
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2007
          • 9359

          We should bring back Rhyce Shaw to coach the VFL team, if he's out of contract with GC this year.

          If not available, sign brother Heath for the job. I'm sure he'll be a great coach.

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          • mcs
            Travelling Swannie!!
            • Jul 2007
            • 8149

            Originally posted by bloodspirit
            Blakey looks a fabulous prospect as a rebounder. I'd like to think he can also learn to use his speed and height to be an excellent interceptor too. But I haven't yet seen evidence he is a defender He needs to keep working hard in the 2s and bang down the door for a recall. And it shouldn't be easy with the returning talent: Warner will come back into the senior team and Gulden and Campbell won't be far behind. Stephens and especially Blakey need to work for it. Blakey has 50 games of senior experience and needs to be way more consistent, especially within games.

            If Heeney couldn't keep Jiath honest I'm not sure McLean would have either. McLean might come back in but that would be at Amartey's expense and not otherwise (barring injury).

            Ronke to hopefully put pressure on Wicks for his spot. I wonder if there's any chance we would play Ronke, Wicks and Papley in the same team with Ronke coming in for Hayward? Would love to see Ronke return to his best. It's been a long time since we've seen it but he has been dealing with injuries. Ronke's best is best 22. I rewatched highlights of his third ever match against the Hawks and gee they were great - his 2nd, 6th and 7th goals in particular.

            Lloyd and Cunningham both pulled up sore after our Hawks match. Most likely they will recover in time but if not could be a chance for another defender. Wonder whether they'll give Ling a go? More likely they'll return to COR. And, if they don't, that would be worrying and sad for him. Just as he looked on the cusp of breaking into the best 22 before he was injured last year.
            Can't see Ronke replacing Hayward - would leave us very short of those sorts of targets like Hayward/Heeney that play as medium-talls rather than medium-small forwards if you get what I mean (in terms of height).

            I hope Ronke can rediscover some of those early glimpses he gave. Still think its likely that game against the Hawks is likely to be the one major career highlight - but still a damn nice one to have. And I really hope he proves me wrong.
            "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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            • Ralph Dawg
              Senior Player
              • Apr 2018
              • 1729

              Originally posted by Ludwig
              We should bring back Rhyce Shaw to coach the VFL team, if he's out of contract with GC this year.

              If not available, sign brother Heath for the job. I'm sure he'll be a great coach.
              Nick Malceski would be good too. He was cut as GC Neafl coach in the great Covid purge of 2020. Currently coaching QAFL club Labrador who are coming second after finishing equal last in 2020 with one win. He has done amazing things there, essentially bringing the bloods culture to the club.

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              • bandwagon
                Regular in the Side
                • May 2003
                • 519

                Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
                Nick Malceski would be good too. He was cut as GC Neafl coach in the great Covid purge of 2020. Currently coaching QAFL club Labrador who are coming second after finishing equal last in 2020 with one win. He has done amazing things there, essentially bringing the bloods culture to the club.
                Nice idea, but I presume we are in the same predicament as every other club and would struggle to add additional coaching staff. I wonder how difficult it is to move on (non-senior) coaches? Do they all have multi-year contracts, I wonder...

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                • rickmat
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Mar 2018
                  • 500

                  I agree, Ludwig. Ryce is very good with teaching and building confidence in our youngsters and would be a very positive step. I am very disappointed having Laidlaw as our VFL coach as has been shown up by our VFL team fading badly in later quarters. Just need to look at the IG video of the last game and how the boys were left to themselves at 3/4 time break. I would be willing to donate a few dollars to get Ryce back

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                  • Markwebbos
                    Veterans List
                    • Jul 2016
                    • 7186

                    I had the impression that Shaw left because he didn't see eye to eye with Horse. He might see the world very differently after what he went through last year... But I think he's more likely to be a Stewie Dew man than a Longmire one.

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                    • Mel_C
                      Veterans List
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 4470

                      Originally posted by Markwebbos
                      I had the impression that Shaw left because he didn't see eye to eye with Horse. He might see the world very differently after what he went through last year... But I think he's more likely to be a Stewie Dew man than a Longmire one.
                      I hadn't heard anything like that. My understanding was that he wanted to be closer to family.

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                      • Blood Fever
                        Veterans List
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 4040

                        Originally posted by Markwebbos
                        I had the impression that Shaw left because he didn't see eye to eye with Horse. He might see the world very differently after what he went through last year... But I think he's more likely to be a Stewie Dew man than a Longmire one.
                        Impression? Any actual hard evidence?

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                        • ugg
                          Can you feel it?
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15962

                          VFL game against GWS to go ahead in Melbourne. Top ups to come from U19 NAB League players

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                          • Markwebbos
                            Veterans List
                            • Jul 2016
                            • 7186

                            Originally posted by Blood Fever
                            Impression? Any actual hard evidence?
                            I tried to find something and came up empty handed

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                            • Ralph Dawg
                              Senior Player
                              • Apr 2018
                              • 1729

                              Originally posted by ugg
                              VFL game against GWS to go ahead in Melbourne. Top ups to come from U19 NAB League players

                              VFL Fixture Update
                              I'm assuming the top ups are random local U19s? Ours would be back in Sydney I assume.
                              What is the actual team list?

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                              • ugg
                                Can you feel it?
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                                • Jan 2003
                                • 15962

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