Rnd.3 V Richmond.

[The Runner]

I don't know why I bother responding to you so I will just placate you.
Yes yes Rowbottom has no skills, yes that's right he is no good at getting the ball as an in and under player and he does not have mental toughness to play on when injured and he certainly can not hit a target with his kicking. AS for kicking goals he has no hope. Yes yes your right. That's right like you said what skill.
Ho hum.

In Round 1...
Kennedy - 17 touches at 35%, 4 score involvements
Parker - 23 touches at 65%, 8 score involvements
RB - 22 at 77%, 11 score involvements

As someone said earlier.. it's what you do with the skill

[TheBloods]

His skill is in how he uses the ball when winning a contested possession - that is how he uses it. And no, not all of our inside mids are skilled at the coal face.
In fact, I'd say very few are. Probably Mills and the developing Warner are the only two that spring to mind.

Rowbottom would have been great 5 years ago. And he'll be great for the next 10.

I don't think you really understand the role of the modern midfielder to play both inside and out. But RB is exactly what we need, and playing seriously impressive footy.

I understand that mids have to be inside and outside in the current game. I dont think he is very good at it. When do you ever see him read a ruck's tap ? Front and centre a ball ? Burst away from a pack and get a clearing kick ? Do you think he could kick the goal that Warner kicked, sprinting away from a contest and kicking a goal on the run ? Buckleys. Doesnt have the leg speed and doesnt have the class by foot to finish it . What about Mcinerney's goal caused by him taking a strong intercept mark ? Nope, hes not an overhead player. Find me any footage of him doing any of the above and ill zip it. But you wont be able to find any.

Watch him closely. He over runs ground balls, going straight past them without picking it up, then he fumbles ground balls, he cant burst away from a contest so he just handpasses. His follow up work is ordinary, he never gets a give and get because he just gives it off to someone and then is out of the play for another 5 minutes. Thats why he cant accumulate. How many times last week did Warner give a disposal and keep on running to get into the clear and get a 2nd or 3rd touch in the chain ? McInerney the same. RB just doesnt do that.

He is clean at handball receives and elite at dishing out handballs. Thats it. Solid and unremarkable. Last few years we have all thought he was one of our best young kids but seeing what gifted and dynamic young guns like Warner, Mcinerney, Gulden etc are doing already in their very first games has highlighted the gulf between our key young players and those who are meh. Like RB. They are better players than him already and they have played 4, 11 and 2 games !! Writing's on the wall here that he might just be a decent player , and decent wont cut it with how talented some of these players in our team are.

[Bexl]

In Round 1...
Kennedy - 17 touches at 35%, 4 score involvements
Parker - 23 touches at 65%, 8 score involvements
RB - 22 at 77%, 11 score involvements

As someone said earlier.. it's what you do with the skill

I presume everybody understood the sarcasm I was directing towards the Bloods comments.
You got no argument from me about Rowbottom's ability.

[Ludwig]

The problem I have with our defence is that we have 14 players sort of allocated to that group: McCartin, Melican, Brand, O'Connor, Gould, O'Riordan, Rampe, Fox, Ling, Cunningham, Dawson, Lloyd, Campbell and Carruthers. I'll leave Hewett as a midfielder for now.

That's a lot of personnel for a 43 man list. We have 2 players for every position. What are we going to do with them all. I'm not ruling out anything. Maybe some are just no good. But we had a list cut and decided to keep these guys, including signing Melican to a 3 year contract.

Maybe we can play undersized in defence with the new rule changes. We can give up something in defence to gain something in rebound and counterattack, which is going quite will so far.

I think at some point we will have to go with more heft in defence just to sort out this issue, which affects both the game plan and our list management. Some decisions regarding what types of players make for the best list balance will have to be made at some time in the near future.

As for Rampe specifically, I never liked playing him as a key defender, even though he is quite capable of doing so. My point is why play him where he is stretched to the limits of his capabilities and has to apply every trick in the book to compete well, when he can be given an assignment which allows him more freedom to influence what goes on in our defensive zone.

I think this week would be a good one to ease the pressure on Rampe by letting someone else take on Riewoldt. Maybe a bit less pressure will help him get back to his best, not that any assignment against Richmond is going to be easy. We need Rampe and Lloyd to have the freedom to ward off the unpredictable Richmond attack.

[neilfws]

Love how the match threads are starting a week out and stretching to 10+ pages before the bounce. You can tell we were starved for footy last year!

Looks like preparation for this game could be less than ideal, thanks to the Brisbane COVID outbreak:


Swans caught up in COVID outbreak, need exemptions to train

[giant]

Have been very impressed by Bolton this year - has improved enormously as a player and gives the Tigers a lot of their run. If I were tagging someone this week, it would probably be him.

[mcs]

Apologies. I forgot about the 5 day break. I need to resubmit the team.

Outs:

Buddy (Managed)
McDonald (Managed)
Gulden (Managed
Campbell (Managed)
Wicks

Ins
Sinclair
Heywood
Stephen’s
Rowbottom
Melican

I don’t see any upside in sending our eldest player and our youngest players on a plane to Melbourne against a hard team and getting them to back up 5 days later.

We need to have our best team for Thursday night prime time at the SCG. We need those extra tickets being sold and more exhilarating football being played. For the exhilarating football to happen you can’t have Buddy or 3 first year players getting tired and weary.

The 5 guys coming in will all ad something and will be chomping at the bit to get their seasons going.

It’s a long season. We don’t need to use up the young players fuel on the best team on a large oval on a 5 day break.

Let’s hit Richmond later on in the season with our best team.

Sorry mate just no. Firstly, you don't make that many changes to a winning team coming into Rd 3.

And you certainly don't select a team on the basis of the next game is on a Thurday night on telly - how many tickets do you honestly think are sold on the basis of waiting to see who is in the team the night before?

[The Runner]

I understand that mids have to be inside and outside in the current game. I dont think he is very good at it. When do you ever see him read a ruck's tap ? Front and centre a ball ? Burst away from a pack and get a clearing kick ? Do you think he could kick the goal that Warner kicked, sprinting away from a contest and kicking a goal on the run ? Buckleys. Doesnt have the leg speed and doesnt have the class by foot to finish it . What about Mcinerney's goal caused by him taking a strong intercept mark ? Nope, hes not an overhead player. Find me any footage of him doing any of the above and ill zip it. But you wont be able to find any.

James Rowbottom 2020 Highlight Reel - YouTube

He literally does all of those things in this 90 second clip

[dejavoodoo44]

The problem I have with our defence is that we have 14 players sort of allocated to that group: McCartin, Melican, Brand, O'Connor, Gould, O'Riordan, Rampe, Fox, Ling, Cunningham, Dawson, Lloyd, Campbell and Carruthers. I'll leave Hewett as a midfielder for now.

That's a lot of personnel for a 43 man list. We have 2 players for every position. What are we going to do with them all. I'm not ruling out anything. Maybe some are just no good. But we had a list cut and decided to keep these guys, including signing Melican to a 3 year contract.

Maybe we can play undersized in defence with the new rule changes. We can give up something in defence to gain something in rebound and counterattack, which is going quite will so far.

I think at some point we will have to go with more heft in defence just to sort out this issue, which affects both the game plan and our list management. Some decisions regarding what types of players make for the best list balance will have to be made at some time in the near future.

As for Rampe specifically, I never liked playing him as a key defender, even though he is quite capable of doing so. My point is why play him where he is stretched to the limits of his capabilities and has to apply every trick in the book to compete well, when he can be given an assignment which allows him more freedom to influence what goes on in our defensive zone.

I think this week would be a good one to ease the pressure on Rampe by letting someone else take on Riewoldt. Maybe a bit less pressure will help him get back to his best, not that any assignment against Richmond is going to be easy. We need Rampe and Lloyd to have the freedom to ward off the unpredictable Richmond attack.

I'm actually keen for our reserves to start playing, just so I can see who's pushing for selection. That's assuming that there will be some sort of free streaming of the VFL.

And if it's decided that nobody really deserves to be dropped from last week's side, then perhaps Reid can spend some more time in defence, moving Rampe on to a flank (or Dusty) and giving Campbell, Cunningham, Dawson and Lloyd, a bit more chance to rotate through the midfield.

[Aprilbr]

A left field possibility. Perhaps we can tag team Dusty by playing Hewitt on him when he is in the midfield and bring in the Beast, Gould, to play on him when he goes forward? Gould is due a senior game and looks physically equipped to handle Dusty; unlike most others. Obviously he is inexperienced so its high risk but who else can handle him up forward?

Looking at the Ins and Outs, I can't see why they would rest Buddy after one game unless he pulled up sore. By his own words, he is rusty so two games in a row is the best remedy for that. I doubt that any of those brilliant young recruits will be rested this week either. I suspect there will be minimal changes unless Rowbottom is fit in which case he definitely comes back in - probably for the Lizard. Stephens is another good option to bring in for the Lizard.

[mcs]

James Rowbottom 2020 Highlight Reel - YouTube

He literally does all of those things in this 90 second clip

Gee Runner, don't let evidence get in the way of irrational dislike!

i dont have big wraps on Wicks and i would not drop him. As i always say performance matters. If you perform and do your job well you play , its pretty simple. He is doing his job well to his credit. i would not be mucking up that fwd line as long as it is going as well as it is

I understand that mids have to be inside and outside in the current game. I dont think he is very good at it. When do you ever see him read a ruck's tap ? Front and centre a ball ? Burst away from a pack and get a clearing kick ? Do you think he could kick the goal that Warner kicked, sprinting away from a contest and kicking a goal on the run ? Buckleys. Doesnt have the leg speed and doesnt have the class by foot to finish it . What about Mcinerney's goal caused by him taking a strong intercept mark ? Nope, hes not an overhead player. Find me any footage of him doing any of the above and ill zip it. But you wont be able to find any.

Watch him closely. He over runs ground balls, going straight past them without picking it up, then he fumbles ground balls, he cant burst away from a contest so he just handpasses. His follow up work is ordinary, he never gets a give and get because he just gives it off to someone and then is out of the play for another 5 minutes. Thats why he cant accumulate. How many times last week did Warner give a disposal and keep on running to get into the clear and get a 2nd or 3rd touch in the chain ? McInerney the same. RB just doesnt do that.

He is clean at handball receives and elite at dishing out handballs. Thats it. Solid and unremarkable. Last few years we have all thought he was one of our best young kids but seeing what gifted and dynamic young guns like Warner, Mcinerney, Gulden etc are doing already in their very first games has highlighted the gulf between our key young players and those who are meh. Like RB. They are better players than him already and they have played 4, 11 and 2 games !! Writing's on the wall here that he might just be a decent player , and decent wont cut it with how talented some of these players in our team are.

So let me get this straight.

Despite previously marking Wicks as lacking the 'class' to play AFL football, and suggesting he shouldn't be in the team on that basis (i.e. qualitative judgment) despite the performance based measures at that time showing he was performing exceptionally well for his role, now you are suggesting he should be in the team on the basis of performance (something that in terms of footy is by and large based primarily on quantitative measures)?

But then on the other hand for your favourite target, performance doesn't matter? You just roll out lines and lines of descriptive rambling - how come he doesn't get measured on a performance basis as well? Oh that's right, that wouldn't fit your argument would it....

At least your consistent with blakey - going all guns blazing both qualitatively and quantitatively. I really feel you missed your calling in life as a politician - your ability to flip and flop is most definitely 'elite'

A football team coached by you would be amazing to watch, but would be lucky to win a game. It'd be all about the 'dynamic' players, nothing about what is really the critical feature at the end of the day - a combined unit that is as a whole effective. And for that to happen, you need players with a range of skills across the park, some with greater strengths in some areas then others, that as a collective is able to maximise the 'performance' output of the team.

You have previously professed your love for Joey Kennedy - going as far to suggest that it was almost a court martialling offence for him to be named on a team sheet on the bench. Yet there is a player where 'performance' and 'effectiveness' comfortably has well and truly overcome any shortcoming in vague qualitative measures like 'dynamism'. Go have a look at his career stats (AFL Stats Pro - AFL.com.au.) and take a look at the areas where is actually 'below average'....... tells a very interesting story indeed.

And no - I'm not suggesting he who isn't to be named will be as good as Joey Kennedy. And yes, the game is changing - but not enough that there aren't still a variety of different types of players needed to play a variety of different roles.

But it is only your desperation to cling to a log, in the hope a tsunami will wash you to shore and prove you right that you won't take the blinkers off and recognise that your argument against said player has zero credibility on the measures that ultimately count far more than any qualitative dribble - after all, your the one that has said 'I always say performance matters'....

[Bexl]

So let me get this straight.

Despite previously marking Wicks as lacking the 'class' to play AFL football, and suggesting he shouldn't be in the team on that basis (i.e. qualitative judgment) despite the performance based measures at that time showing he was performing exceptionally well for his role, now you are suggesting he should be in the team on the basis of performance (something that in terms of footy is by and large based primarily on quantitative measures)?

But then on the other hand for your favourite target, performance doesn't matter? You just roll out lines and lines of descriptive rambling - how come he doesn't get measured on a performance basis as well? Oh that's right, that wouldn't fit your argument would it....

At least your consistent with blakey - going all guns blazing both qualitatively and quantitatively. I really feel you missed your calling in life as a politician - your ability to flip and flop is most definitely 'elite'

A football team coached by you would be amazing to watch, but would be lucky to win a game. It'd be all about the 'dynamic' players, nothing about what is really the critical feature at the end of the day - a combined unit that is as a whole effective. And for that to happen, you need players with a range of skills across the park, some with greater strengths in some areas then others, that as a collective is able to maximise the 'performance' output of the team.

You have previously professed your love for Joey Kennedy - going as far to suggest that it was almost a court martialling offence for him to be named on a team sheet on the bench. Yet there is a player where 'performance' and 'effectiveness' comfortably has well and truly overcome any shortcoming in vague qualitative measures like 'dynamism'. Go have a look at his career stats (AFL Stats Pro - AFL.com.au.) and take a look at the areas where is actually 'below average'....... tells a very interesting story indeed.

And no - I'm not suggesting he who isn't to be named will be as good as Joey Kennedy. And yes, the game is changing - but not enough that there aren't still a variety of different types of players needed to play a variety of different roles.

But it is only your desperation to cling to a log, in the hope a tsunami will wash you to shore and prove you right that you won't take the blinkers off and recognise that your argument against said player has zero credibility on the measures that ultimately count far more than any qualitative dribble - after all, your the one that . After all, you the only that said 'I always say performance matters'....

For the record I would like to admit that I have been an idiot I have taken the bait the Bloods put out there and I have responded to his comments from now on I will not be responding to any of his posts I highly recommend you all do the same

[mcs]

For the record I would like to admit that I have been an idiot I have taken the bait the Bloods put out there and I have responded to his comments from now on I will not be responding to any of his posts I highly recommend you all do the same

Hehehe Bexl.... just demonstrating the logical inconsistencies in the argument put forward, that's all - the flipping and flopping week to week to fit the arugment is truly elite

A left field possibility. Perhaps we can tag team Dusty by playing Hewitt on him when he is in the midfield and bring in the Beast, Gould, to play on him when he goes forward? Gould is due a senior game and looks physically equipped to handle Dusty; unlike most others. Obviously he is inexperienced so its high risk but who else can handle him up forward?

Looking at the Ins and Outs, I can't see why they would rest Buddy after one game unless he pulled up sore. By his own words, he is rusty so two games in a row is the best remedy for that. I doubt that any of those brilliant young recruits will be rested this week either. I suspect there will be minimal changes unless Rowbottom is fit in which case he definitely comes back in - probably for the Lizard. Stephens is another good option to bring in for the Lizard.

Can't see them going with Gould, although I do think we need some additional size down back from somewhere. I'm not sure Gould is really 'due a senior game' though - he was pretty ordinary in that practice match he did play, and we don't know whats really been going on in the practice matches at this point. I think he is going to need a good solid run of form to prove he is ready for senior footy.

[mcs]

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[Bexl]

Hehehe Bexl.... just demonstrating the logical inconsistencies in the argument put forward, that's all - the flipping and flopping week to week to fit the arugment is truly elite



Can't see them going with Gould, although I do think we need some additional size down back from somewhere. I'm not sure Gould is really 'due a senior game' though - he was pretty ordinary in that practice match he did play, and we don't know whats really been going on in the practice matches at this point. I think he is going to need a good solid run of form to prove he is ready for senior footy.

Have fun.