Round 17: the other games. Everywhere but Sydney, even Mars.

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  • KTigers
    Senior Player
    • Apr 2012
    • 2499

    #76
    Great last quarter. Stephenson, Zurhaar and Cunnington were huge. Interesting how well a team coming 18th can play when
    they get going.

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    • Agent 86
      Senior Player
      • Aug 2004
      • 1686

      #77
      Originally posted by Captain
      Such a good win for the Roos!!
      Yeah. Wow! North have shown a bit over lately after an abysmal start to the season. Terrible result for the Toast over there.

      Not gonna gloat based on our performance against bottom 4 teams this year.

      Goldy kicks the winning goal. Amazing!

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      • Thunder Shaker
        Aut vincere aut mori
        • Apr 2004
        • 4150

        #78
        A great win by the Roos. They're in quite good form at the moment.

        I've made a form ladder for the last six weeks (five games plus a bye for all clubs). It's quite interesting.

        Code:
                            	W	L	D	For	Ag	Perc	Pts
        Geelong Cats    	4	1	0	413	364	113.46	16
        Western Bulldogs	3	2	0	437	349	125.21	12
        St Kilda         	3	2	0	370	304	121.71	12
        Sydney Swans       	3	2	0	411	339	121.24	12
        Brisbane Lions   	3	2	0	411	346	118.79	12
        Fremantle        	3	2	0	404	347	116.43	12
        Port Adelaide   	3	2	0	395	353	111.90	12
        Melbourne        	3	2	0	369	331	111.48	12
        Collingwood        	3	2	0	385	368	104.62	12
        GWS Giants        	2	2	1	396	370	107.03	10
        North Melbourne    	2	2	1	360	393	91.60	10
        Essendon        	2	3	0	368	383	96.08	8
        Hawthorn           	2	3	0	351	404	86.88	8
        Carlton         	2	3	0	346	404	85.64	8
        Gold Coast Suns    	2	3	0	285	360	79.17	8
        West Coast Eagles	2	3	0	309	440	70.23	8
        Richmond        	1	4	0	364	395	92.15	4
        Adelaide Crows    	1	4	0	292	416	70.19	4
        "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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        • KTigers
          Senior Player
          • Apr 2012
          • 2499

          #79
          The table above shows how even things are. 15 of the 18 teams have won between two and three games of their last five.

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          • Captain
            Captain of the Side
            • Feb 2004
            • 3602

            #80
            Originally posted by Agent 86
            Yeah. Wow! North have shown a bit over lately after an abysmal start to the season. Terrible result for the Toast over there.

            Not gonna gloat based on our performance against bottom 4 teams this year.

            Goldy kicks the winning goal. Amazing!
            Yep! We don’t want North to find too much form before we play them...

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            • dejavoodoo44
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2015
              • 8490

              #81
              Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
              A great win by the Roos. They're in quite good form at the moment.

              I've made a form ladder for the last six weeks (five games plus a bye for all clubs). It's quite interesting.

              Code:
                                  	W	L	D	For	Ag	Perc	Pts
              Geelong Cats    	4	1	0	413	364	113.46	16
              Western Bulldogs	3	2	0	437	349	125.21	12
              St Kilda         	3	2	0	370	304	121.71	12
              Sydney Swans       	3	2	0	411	339	121.24	12
              Brisbane Lions   	3	2	0	411	346	118.79	12
              Fremantle        	3	2	0	404	347	116.43	12
              Port Adelaide   	3	2	0	395	353	111.90	12
              Melbourne        	3	2	0	369	331	111.48	12
              Collingwood        	3	2	0	385	368	104.62	12
              GWS Giants        	2	2	1	396	370	107.03	10
              North Melbourne    	2	2	1	360	393	91.60	10
              Essendon        	2	3	0	368	383	96.08	8
              Hawthorn           	2	3	0	351	404	86.88	8
              Carlton         	2	3	0	346	404	85.64	8
              Gold Coast Suns    	2	3	0	285	360	79.17	8
              West Coast Eagles	2	3	0	309	440	70.23	8
              Richmond        	1	4	0	364	395	92.15	4
              Adelaide Crows    	1	4	0	292	416	70.19	4
              I don't think anyone really expected the wheels to fall off the Richmond bus, as badly as it has.

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              • Thunder Shaker
                Aut vincere aut mori
                • Apr 2004
                • 4150

                #82
                Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                I don't think anyone really expected the wheels to fall off the Richmond bus, as badly as it has.
                Richmond's last six weeks: 39-point win over Essendon, 4-point loss to West Coast, a bye, a 40-point loss to St Kilda where they kicked their lowest score since 1961 and their sixth-lowest score ever, a 10-point loss to Gold Coast and a 16-point loss to Collingwood. Those losses were against bottom and middle sides. The wheels haven't fallen off the Richmond bus. The Richmond bus has fallen on its side and is a burning wreck.

                It doesn't get any easier for Richmond. Their next three games are against Brisbane, Geelong and Fremantle. They need to win at least two of those (and all of their remaining games against North Melbourne, GWS and Hawthorn) to have a chance of making the finals with 12 wins. That's unlikely. IMO Richmond are done for 2021.
                "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                • bloodspirit
                  Clubman
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 4448

                  #83
                  Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                  Richmond's last six weeks: 39-point win over Essendon, 4-point loss to West Coast, a bye, a 40-point loss to St Kilda where they kicked their lowest score since 1961 and their sixth-lowest score ever, a 10-point loss to Gold Coast and a 16-point loss to Collingwood. Those losses were against bottom and middle sides. The wheels haven't fallen off the Richmond bus. The Richmond bus has fallen on its side and is a burning wreck.

                  It doesn't get any easier for Richmond. Their next three games are against Brisbane, Geelong and Fremantle. They need to win at least two of those (and all of their remaining games against North Melbourne, GWS and Hawthorn) to have a chance of making the finals with 12 wins. That's unlikely. IMO Richmond are done for 2021.
                  Nice post, Thunder Shaker!

                  Anyone got any theories how teams can fall away so dramatically mid-season a la? Richmond and West Coast?
                  All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                  • Bangalore Swans
                    Suspended by the MRP
                    • Mar 2021
                    • 1049

                    #84
                    Turning out to be a good competition. North the bottom team have 3.5 wins with 6 rounds to go. You can see the bottom four clubs and Gold Coast all winning some games in the last 6 rounds.

                    The top 10 teams can’t take anything for granted.

                    Even the top team has lost 3 games which means the top teams are not run away dominant.

                    Could be a brilliant last two rounds to decide the top 8. Early elimination final rounds.

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                    • barry
                      Veterans List
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 8499

                      #85
                      There is a battle for 4th, with the Swans coming like a racehorse making a late run from 4 back, 100m from the post.

                      and, a battle for 8th, of about 6 teams, maybe even Carlton and StKilda, with early top 8 locks like West Coast, Richmond and GWS all doing their best to fall out of the 8, while teams that had all but given up like Freo, doing a "Bradbury" and ending up in the 8 by accident.

                      Funny enough, our game against the giants has a massive bearing on both.

                      Win, and we can extinguish the Giants finals hopes. Lose, and we may fall out of the running for 4th, and will settle for a 6th or 7th finish.
                      I dont think Hub life is doing the giants any favours.

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                      • Thunder Shaker
                        Aut vincere aut mori
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 4150

                        #86
                        Originally posted by bloodspirit
                        Anyone got any theories how teams can fall away so dramatically mid-season a la? Richmond and West Coast?
                        Richmond has not handled the bye well. Richmond's implosion started after their bye.

                        West Coast is similar. Their last six weeks: 22-point win against Carlton (A, SCG), 4-point win against Richmond (H), bye, 55-point loss against Western Bulldogs (H), 92-point loss against Sydney (A, Kardinia Park), 10-point loss against North Melbourne (H).

                        Both clubs have lost all three games after their round-14 bye.

                        Clubs with a bye in round 14: Adelaide, Collingwood, Fremantle, Melbourne, Richmond, St Kilda, Sydney, West Coast. Some have played better after the break (Collingwood, Fremantle, St Kilda, Sydney). Some have been worse (Adelaide, Richmond, West Coast).

                        IMO a bye in round 14 is too late in the season because clubs with a bye have 13 games before the bye and 9 games after. In past seasons, round 12 was usually a split round, giving an 11-11 or 12-10 split. We should return to this schedule, with all byes over two rounds rather than three. Furthermore, every club's first match after their bye should be against another club with their bye in the same week.
                        "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                        • Markwebbos
                          Veterans List
                          • Jul 2016
                          • 7186

                          #87
                          Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                          I don't think anyone really expected the wheels to fall off the Richmond bus, as badly as it has.
                          But we all hoped they would implode #anyoneButRichmond

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                          • dejavoodoo44
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2015
                            • 8490

                            #88
                            Originally posted by Markwebbos
                            But we all hoped they would implode #anyoneButRichmond
                            I was quite happy for them to win one, but three was really overstaying the welcome.

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                            • bloodspirit
                              Clubman
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 4448

                              #89
                              The only team in the top 12 I really don't want to win is Geelong. Unfortunately they are one of the prime contenders. It's a gut feel but, if I have to find reasons, I would suggest they are: (1) I view Geelong as our rivals more than the others - we both have had sustained success over the past 25 years with competing different approaches to playing and list management and they already have one more flag than us; (2) Chris Scott; (3) their arrogant attitude? Not sure if this is true/fair. Do others think they are arrogant? I don't like Joel Selwood as much as I used to, as impressive as he is. Don't much like their other stars either.
                              All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                              • barry
                                Veterans List
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 8499

                                #90
                                Originally posted by bloodspirit
                                The only team in the top 12 I really don't want to win is Geelong. Unfortunately they are one of the prime contenders. It's a gut feel but, if I have to find reasons, I would suggest they are: (1) I view Geelong as our rivals more than the others - we both have had sustained success over the past 25 years with competing different approaches to playing and list management and they already have one more flag than us; (2) Chris Scott; (3) their arrogant attitude? Not sure if this is true/fair. Do others think they are arrogant? I don't like Joel Selwood as much as I used to, as impressive as he is. Don't much like their other stars either.
                                I dont think Geelong can win it. Already they have Cameron out with his second hammy of the year, and he's one of their younger ones. They are only a couple of hammy's or calf's away from straight sets exit in the finals.
                                They would need a lot of luck to win it.

                                Historical data would show that one of the top 2 form teams at this stage probably wins it 80% of the time. So its dogs and melbounre's to lose.
                                I was just looking through the TAB odds. Gold Coast are 26:1 to make the 8. Just beat both 2019 grand finalists. Tempting. They play tough teams, but hardly leave QLD.
                                Last edited by barry; 13 July 2021, 04:42 PM.

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