R21 V St Kilda at Marvel Stadium

[waswan]

Who was actually playing Small fwd ? Most out of sorts we have been all year.
Couldnt defend the high ball, twrrible skills thru the middle, shallow fwd 50 entries lead to poor turnovers

Gulden up the ground, Papley up the ground, Wicks up the ground on Hill ???
Debunks the myth about like for like for Wicks and changing him for Warner

Worst our backline has looked collectively in ages.

No biggy, maybe one we had to drop, Top 4 had alot of moving parts for us, 5th or 6th is reality

[joeykanga]

We didn't look anywhere near as composed as we had the last few weeks. Players weren't taking their time to pick the best target.
And probably less targets presenting themselves. It's really difficult to keep up that work rate every week. No one else can seem to
do it. Also other teams are going to go to school on how we've been playing of late which means we're not going to have it all our
own way. And it was all or nothing for St Kilda. As it was for the Giants on Friday against Geelong. Some of these "zombie" teams
are going to go down swinging. Who can blame them.

I agree with all this …and add the following .
Was there at the SCG earlier in the year and the Saints really should have beaten us then bar their inaccurate licking especially by the guy who couldn’t miss tonight for them ..he was called Missy Higgins by some ..

I’m contrast this gane he was really switched on and rdidn’t miss a trick with the goals ..probably had a lot to prove .they probably all did ..apart from playing for a possible eight spot and then we also had the two players who had great ganes playing against their old club which often happens as they lift for those ganes .
The gane earlier in the year we struggled with our gane too ..they seems to apply lots of pressure and cut off our exits really well that day also ..
With Melbourne being in lockdown and being indoors and the emotional relaxation of being with families maybe that focus dropped off
also not necessarily intentionally ..

[snajik]

Parker always gives something , he bleeds for this club and plays like it , and you will see ppl saying we should trade him over others like Stephens or Dawson , give me a break.

The mistake was re signing you know who earlier this year . We should've let him go while the rest of the comp thought he was a capable youngster . Now he's shown himself to be a very poor footballer . No footy iq or basic understanding of the game ie where the ball will land, where his opponent will go etc , no body strength, no speed , no composure, poor work rate , and he has the worst body language ive seen on a player . It stinks and he's no good . Not sorry

I've been looking everywhere for body language stats, but I can't seem to find any. I can only assume Dusty Martin won three Norm Smith medals as the nonpareil body language exponent. It should be the first thing recruiting scouts look for.

[royboy42]

RWO is a funny little community, largely anonymous, occasionally antagonistic - but still a community. I offer my condolences and I am sure all RWOers wish you well at this time.

As do I, Wardy.

[Auntie.Gerald]

yep the 7th team from 2020 looked like the 5th team in 2021 unfortunately last night

and we looked very confused

and this season the difference between 7th and 11th on the ladder is one win

[royboy42]

I agree with all this …and add the following .
Was there at the SCG earlier in the year and the Saints really should have beaten us then bar their inaccurate licking especially by the guy who couldn’t miss tonight for them ..he was called Missy Higgins by some ..

I’m contrast this gane he was really switched on and rdidn’t miss a trick with the goals ..probably had a lot to prove .they probably all did ..apart from playing for a possible eight spot and then we also had the two players who had great ganes playing against their old club which often happens as they lift for those ganes .
The gane earlier in the year we struggled with our gane too ..they seems to apply lots of pressure and cut off our exits really well that day also ..
With Melbourne being in lockdown and being indoors and the emotional relaxation of being with families maybe that focus dropped off
also not necessarily intentionally ..

Agree. Oh, and if you move your typing finger a tad right when typing 'games', all will be a little clearer. Cheers, mate.

[Markwebbos]

It might be worth consigning that game to the wastebasket and moving on.

A complete reversal of previous successful weeks where we lost the clearances but our pressured, outspread and moved the ball better.

It reminded me a little of the first quarter against GW$ when they looked a million bucks before we got our gane together.

[TheBloods]

Bit harsh on McCartin there TB he has been playing all right recently

Wasnt talking about him !

[crackedactor 01]

Who was actually playing Small fwd ? Most out of sorts we have been all year.
Couldnt defend the high ball, twrrible skills thru the middle, shallow fwd 50 entries lead to poor turnovers

Gulden up the ground, Papley up the ground, Wicks up the ground on Hill ???
Debunks the myth about like for like for Wicks and changing him for Warner

Worst our backline has looked collectively in ages.

No biggy, maybe one we had to drop, Top 4 had alot of moving parts for us, 5th or 6th is reality

I noticed Allir Aliir was BOG for Port Adelaide last night. Some 16 marks. He would have been handy last night.

[waswan]

I noticed Allir Aliir was BOG for Port Adelaide last night. Some 16 marks. He would have been handy last night.

Not overly concerned, was more a one off. Ive saud for years Melican would free up Ramps to run off
He is very good but still a waste as a one on one defender

[Roadrunner]

Parker always gives something , he bleeds for this club and plays like it , and you will see ppl saying we should trade him over others like Stephens or Dawson , give me a break.

The mistake was re signing you know who earlier this year . We should've let him go while the rest of the comp thought he was a capable youngster . Now he's shown himself to be a very poor footballer . No footy iq or basic understanding of the game ie where the ball will land, where his opponent will go etc , no body strength, no speed , no composure, poor work rate , and he has the worst body language ive seen on a player . It stinks and he's no good . Not sorry

TB, you are really something! The whole team stank- Parker tried hard but wasn’t all that effective. We can forget all the others. Unfair to pick on one player incessantly when you could say the same 22 times over- they ALL made some basic mistakes and let the Saints create loose men at will. Pressure? Where the @@@k was Wicks, for example? Don’t give me some crap that he is there to play a role- any kid in our Academy could have run around like a headless chook like he did. I repeat I don’t want to single him out as the team as a whole was useless, but I’ve had this feeling for a while now and can’t see how he can deserve a spot. Rowie at least got a few kicks and was at the bottom of packs.
So please STFU about him- pick on someone else for a change!

[wolftone57]

On any given day we can match in the mids and in the forward line.......my concern is that we don't have a match up in the backline to negate the tall key forward

Suns and Saints with the King boys exposed an area we need to find solutions for.

We have applied so much hunt and pressure and we have kicked with great accuracy up until last night.......it was interesting to see how our backline and defensive adjustments would respond under relentless pressure.

Tactically
Personnel
As a unit.

Very interesting data to review and hopefully makes us smarter and wiser for the finals

Yes we have problems with talls in the climate the AFL have created. Undersized defenders are going to struggle under the new interpretations. Rampe was struggling. He was not at all comfortable on King. But Longmire?did not change the match ups. That I thought was strange. McCartin was finding the young guy just a bit quick. Membrey was getting the better of whoever was on him, Fox? I thought Rampe to Membrey, McCartin to King and Blakey to 'Boxer' Sharman.

We also had a problem with their small forwards who were constantly free. Harry had a horror game playing on both Higgins and Kent at different times. Lloyd same. But the real problems started further up the ground. Missed tackles, lack of pressure and players not picking up opponents. We also turned the ball over so many times in the centre of the ground that put our players totally offside. Kennedy, as much as he plays so well for us, turned the ball over due to terrible decision making and dreadful disposal 4 times. They were screachers, howlers. All resulted in Saints goals. But he wasn't the only one. Stephens, even Dawson turned it over in the hot-spot and cost us several times. This is unusual for Dawson. But Stephens has past form in this.

All? ?in all we did not bring any form of intensity. Which they did. We were chasing all night. We never really looked in it or even comfortable.

But yes we have to fix the back six and soon. Playing undersized defenders is costing us. When we had Reg and Teddy back there we had height and more often than not one of them would either mark or kill the ball. We had the pillars. We need Melican back ASAP.

Next week we need to change the side this way:

In. Melican,? Mills, Warner, maybe COR, Amartey

Out: Harry (he was very poor), Stephens, Rowbottom & Reid



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[Agent 86]

Agree. Oh, and if you move your typing finger a tad right when typing 'games', all will be a little clearer. Cheers, mate.

So 'inaccurate licking' was deliberate?

[giant]

Didn't think our first half was that bad, just that the Saints were really very good. We came early in the second half as we've been doing, but then Bud misses an easy shot and the white flag goes up from there. I guess a little understandable but disappointing nevertheless.

It was certainly disconcerting how easily they picked us apart and Sinclair murdered us with easy rebounds from F50. Marshall played what might be the best game I've seen by an opposition ruckman this year.

Let's hope we can bounce back as we've demonstrated many times this year.

I was howled down on RWO for suggesting Stephens might be a bust this time last year; I don't think there can be any doubt now that he is not at AFL level - 6 ineffective disposals on a wing for a game? Watching the Saint defender walk around him on the mark was to understand that he has in no manner risen to the level required of a long term AFL player. Such a shame for a treasured high draft pick, especially as we see the obvious selections Young and Serong doing so well at Freo.

On the positive front, kudos to Nick Blakely who has really resurrected his season (perhaps his career?) with his recent efforts.

[wolftone57]

Didn't think our first half was that bad, just that the Saints were really very good. We came early in the second half as we've been doing, but then Bud misses an easy shot and the white flag goes up from there. I guess a little understandable but disappointing nevertheless.

It was certainly disconcerting how easily they picked us apart and Sinclair murdered us with easy rebounds from F50. Marshall played what might be the best game I've seen by an opposition ruckman this year.

Let's hope we can bounce back as we've demonstrated many times this year.

I was howled down on RWO for suggesting Stephens might be a bust this time last year; I don't think there can be any doubt now that he is not at AFL level - 6 ineffective disposals on a wing for a game? Watching the Saint defender walk around him on the mark was to understand that he has in no manner risen to the level required of a long term AFL player. Such a shame for a treasured high draft pick, especially as we see the obvious selections Young and Serong doing so well at Freo.

On the positive front, kudos to Nick Blakely who has really resurrected his season (perhaps his career?) with his recent efforts.

Yes Stephens is a great disappointment. But he was not the only one yesterday. Wicks was letting Hill have so much space he must have had leprosy. Harry was terrible. Got murdered by Kent and other small forwards.

We did not bring true intensity which has been the secret to our wins. Keeping a high pressure on opponents for a whole game. We had that in bursts but not for the whole game. Turnovers were costly too. Even Dawson turned it over.

We need to regroup and change personnel. Some players are tired.

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