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  • Nico
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 11328

    #31
    Don't underestimate the improvement of Campbell, Gulden, Warner, Blakey and Wicks next year. Wicks missed one game IIRC so in the eyes of the MC it must have been felt that he was doing what was asked of him.
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    • mcs
      Travelling Swannie!!
      • Jul 2007
      • 8149

      #32
      Originally posted by Nico
      Don't underestimate the improvement of Campbell, Gulden, Warner, Blakey and Wicks next year. Wicks missed one game IIRC so in the eyes of the MC it must have been felt that he was doing what was asked of him.
      Campbell is the one I'm really looking forward to watching next year - on the basis that he showed glimpses early this year, but never really came back after that injury. I still rate him every bit as highly as Gulden, and think he will prove an absolute gun too. I sense we are going to enjoy watching these cygnets grow up over the next few years!
      Last edited by mcs; 1 September 2021, 11:17 AM.
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      • Roadrunner
        Senior Player
        • Jan 2018
        • 1445

        #33
        Originally posted by Nico
        Don't underestimate the improvement of Campbell, Gulden, Warner, Blakey and Wicks next year. Wicks missed one game IIRC so in the eyes of the MC it must have been felt that he was doing what was asked of him.
        Spot on Nico- I wasn’t impressed by Wicks but undoubtedly the coaches were happy, as he was always selected.

        I would add Logan and Joel to the list as I hope we will see big improvements from them as well as young McLean.
        Plenty to be excited about for the next few years!

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        • Bangalore Swans
          Suspended by the MRP
          • Mar 2021
          • 1049

          #34
          Thought I would have a go at the team now:

          B Cunningham P. McCartin Rampe
          HB J-Mac T. McCartin Blakey
          C Florent Mills Dawson
          HF Hayward McDonald Gulden
          F Amartey Franklin Papley
          Foll Hickey Parker Heeney

          Inter Lloyd Campbell Chad Kennedy
          Medical Rowbottom

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          • Maltopia
            Senior Player
            • Apr 2016
            • 1556

            #35
            Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
            Thought I would have a go at the team now:

            B Cunningham P. McCartin Rampe
            HB J-Mac T. McCartin Blakey
            C Florent Mills Dawson
            HF Hayward McDonald Gulden
            F Amartey Franklin Papley
            Foll Hickey Parker Heeney

            Inter Lloyd Campbell Chad Kennedy
            Medical Rowbottom
            We are sort of blessed in that the bottom six and the next five to six are not that far apart.

            I look at your 22 and it looks good, but then I see RB as medical when he has been more consistent than Chad and Campbell in the back end of the season, so I can’t see the committee putting them both ahead until they have both improved in the JLT pre season games or early NEAFL games next season.

            Also Wicks playing almost the entire of last season would suggest he is a certain starter.

            Then you have Paddy in ahead of Fox and COR who both has decent games.

            Plus no Reid who was very good at the start of this year, not McClean.

            Plus no Hewitt.

            So if we manage to re sign Dawson and Hewitt, I think we have a very good list and it is really tough luck for 5-6 players who aren’t on the field for round one.

            And that doesn’t include Bell, Stephens, Ronke, Melican or Brand who each got a few games during the year!

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            • bloodspirit
              Clubman
              • Apr 2015
              • 4448

              #36
              I think Ludwig & co's latest posts about the best 22 for R1 next season belong in this thread. JPK is best 22 for mine. He didn't stick around for another year to be demoted before R1. Potentially he will be overtaken during next season but for now he is there to lead and show the youngsters the way. Someone else will make way based on pre-season form and any injury/fitness issues - probably one of RB or Warner - possibly Wicks if they want to push someone else into Wicks' role.

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              Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
              Thought I would have a go at the team now:

              B Cunningham P. McCartin Rampe
              HB J-Mac T. McCartin Blakey
              C Florent Mills Dawson
              HF Hayward McDonald Gulden
              F Amartey Franklin Papley
              Foll Hickey Parker Heeney

              Inter Lloyd Campbell Chad Kennedy
              Medical Rowbottom
              I'm not sure about the positions you have named the players in but this 22 look about right except with Ladhams for Amartey. Good early call BS!
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              • Ralph Dawg
                Senior Player
                • Apr 2018
                • 1729

                #37
                Thinking about where our list is placed, I'm rather bullish about our chances for a few reasons:
                1) Our defence should be stronger this year. Plenty of competition for the third tall position in our backline which will bring out the best in the young guys competing for the spot. BOC, Gould, Melican, Fox, PMac and possibly Reid all going for the one spot.
                2) Growth in our midfield. The loss of Dawson and Hewett hurt but give opportunities to immensely talented youngsters such as Chad and RB (on the inside) and Campbell, JMc, Errol and Stephens on the outside. I'm predicting at least a couple of these guys will have breakout years as a result. Heeney and Paps to also pinch hit more in the midfield.
                3) Improved ruck support for Hickey. Ladhams joining is a bonus. McLean and Amartey both improved this year and if Reid stays on the park, is usually handy. I doubt we will see Sinclair in the first team in 2022.
                4) More targets in F50 and improving future gun in LMc.

                As an aside, are there any lists with as many Macs as ours (TMac, PMac, JMc, LMc)?

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                • Mark26
                  Senior Player
                  • Jan 2017
                  • 1535

                  #38
                  Originally posted by TheBloods
                  Kennedy might be slow but like you say hes got smarts experience and leadership . Rowbottom is slow and has none of those things to boot . He 's nowhere near Jpk's level so if people want him in over a champion like Joey , it stinks of ageism .
                  I've been watching our matches again from this year and am baffled that you think that about Rowbottom. He has footy smarts, courage and skill. He's building strength and experience. He is best 22, is young to boot, so he has a lot of upside too.

                  You've shared your negative opinion on Rowy so many times that I think you are seriously deluded, or you revel with any attention, be it positive or negative.

                  Regardless, I don't agree with your views. That's okay. In the meantime, Rowbottom is becoming a necessary part of our team. I see it, others see it and more importantly, the coaches do. Dare I say, he could even become a gun.

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                  • wolftone57
                    Veterans List
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 5835

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Mark26
                    I've been watching our matches again from this year and am baffled that you think that about Rowbottom. He has footy smarts, courage and skill. He's building strength and experience. He is best 22, is young to boot, so he has a lot of upside too.

                    You've shared your negative opinion on Rowy so many times that I think you are seriously deluded, or you revel with any attention, be it positive or negative.

                    Regardless, I don't agree with your views. That's okay. In the meantime, Rowbottom is becoming a necessary part of our team. I see it, others see it and more importantly, the coaches do. Dare I say, he could even become a gun.
                    I agree and I think he will. He has the ability to extract when even JPK, Parker etc are getting ready for a ball up. Suddenly the ball pops out. Bloody cleaver at manipulating his body tk get arms free. A long term star.

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                    • TheBloods
                      Suspended by the MRP
                      • Feb 2020
                      • 2047

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Mark26
                      I've been watching our matches again from this year and am baffled that you think that about Rowbottom. He has footy smarts, courage and skill. He's building strength and experience. He is best 22, is young to boot, so he has a lot of upside too.

                      You've shared your negative opinion on Rowy so many times that I think you are seriously deluded, or you revel with any attention, be it positive or negative.

                      Regardless, I don't agree with your views. That's okay. In the meantime, Rowbottom is becoming a necessary part of our team. I see it, others see it and more importantly, the coaches do. Dare I say, he could even become a gun.
                      Wasnt in the 22 this yr ,was dropped and only in because Mills and Joey were injured , but say im wrong , surely even you can admit that he is nowhere near JPK's level so to suggest we play him over Joey is a joke , im not being nasty they are just two very different players and thinking of the team first

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                      • wolftone57
                        Veterans List
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 5835

                        #41
                        Originally posted by TheBloods
                        Wasnt in the 22 this yr ,was dropped and only in because Mills and Joey were injured , but say im wrong , surely even you can admit that he is nowhere near JPK's level so to suggest we play him over Joey is a joke , im not being nasty they are just two very different players and thinking of the team first
                        Was injured and he was brought back early because of injuries. He was not ready to come back. So not dropped. He was sent back to get better match fitness in scratch marmtches. It was obvious he came back too early.

                        You have this hatred fot Rowbottom. Is a hatred of his uncle behind all this? You know who his uncle is, BT. You know that and we all loathe BT. But he cannot choose who he is related to. Your relatives are your relatives. As the old saying goes

                        You can chose your friends but you are stuck with your relatives.

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                        • Nico
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                          • Jan 2003
                          • 11328

                          #42
                          Originally posted by wolftone57
                          Was injured and he was brought back early because of injuries. He was not ready to come back. So not dropped. He was sent back to get better match fitness in scratch marmtches. It was obvious he came back too early.

                          You have this hatred fot Rowbottom. Is a hatred of his uncle behind all this? You know who his uncle is, BT. You know that and we all loathe BT. But he cannot choose who he is related to. Your relatives are your relatives. As the old saying goes

                          You can chose your friends but you are stuck with your relatives.

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                          I don't loathe BT. I find him quite entertaining.
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                          • wolftone57
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 5835

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Nico
                            I don't loathe BT. I find him quite entertaining.
                            We all have our likes and dislikes lol Nico

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                            • TheBloods
                              Suspended by the MRP
                              • Feb 2020
                              • 2047

                              #44
                              Originally posted by wolftone57
                              Was injured and he was brought back early because of injuries. He was not ready to come back. So not dropped. He was sent back to get better match fitness in scratch marmtches. It was obvious he came back too early.

                              You have this hatred fot Rowbottom. Is a hatred of his uncle behind all this? You know who his uncle is, BT. You know that and we all loathe BT. But he cannot choose who he is related to. Your relatives are your relatives. As the old saying goes

                              You can chose your friends but you are stuck with your relatives.

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                              For the 1000th time i dont hate him , i dont RATE him

                              His done nothing to prove me wrong and change my mind , if he does , happy to admit im wrong as i have done with Hayward , Wicks, Blakey

                              I wasnt nasty or rude , all i said is he is not the player that Jpk is , and shouldnt be in the 22 over him just because hes 10 years younger . If you suggest that he be in the team over Joey Kennedy the leader of this club then you gotta expect backlash , i guess i took the bait again

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                              • Ludwig
                                Veterans List
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9359

                                #45
                                Simon Dalrymple mentioned Rowbottom as one of our upcoming stars in the podcast previously mentioned and linked. He didn't mention Warner, btw.

                                I have the highest regard for JPK, who I rate as our best player of the last decade, as I would rate Adam Goodes in the previous decade and Paul Kelly before that. But everyone's time comes to an end. I'm pretty sure this will be Kennedy's last season. Even for those who don't rate Rowbottom, I would probably have Stephens, who also didn't make my best 22, in before Kennedy. It's more a matter of moving on to our new game style.

                                Wolftone is right. Kennedy cannot chase down even a slow player. Once they're past him, they're gone. He's still a powerful ball winner at stoppages with good skills all around. He's certainly worth a list spot, but I don't think he fits in the team going forward.

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