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  • wolftone57
    Veterans List
    • Aug 2008
    • 5857

    Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
    Oh, I definitely think his long-term future is exactly as you've described. And I'd go further. With his kicking process and length, he could be a 25-goal a year midfielder.

    My comment was about the role he plays till he has the tank to go through there more permanently. If he gets there this year, great. But I don't get the impression he's got the natural running capacity of a Gulden or JMac, and may take a season or so to build to it. I'd love to be proven wrong, very quickly.
    In the Under 19's he had that capacity so I don't see why that should have changed. He was used in the All Stars Under 19 game on GF day as a forward because he is incredibly damaging around goal. From memory I think he kicked 4 and was BOG with about 14 disposals. Shows there is hope that a non mid might one day win a Brownlow.

    I think after 2 preseasons he will have the tank.

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    • TheBloods
      Suspended by the MRP
      • Feb 2020
      • 2047

      Whats the rush with Campbell , am i missing something . Fantastic talent but is 20 in his 2nd year for christ sake . He will play games this yr and will be a jet in the future but if we are banking on him becoming a star this year then we 're in big trouble .

      Dylan the one im more excited by for 22 , i want to see more of Blakey too . Good talent but he needs to start putting together 20 games of good footy , not the odd one here n there . Liked him in defense

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      • wolftone57
        Veterans List
        • Aug 2008
        • 5857

        Originally posted by TheBloods
        Whats the rush with Campbell , am i missing something . Fantastic talent but is 20 in his 2nd year for christ sake . He will play games this yr and will be a jet in the future but if we are banking on him becoming a star this year then we 're in big trouble .

        Dylan the one im more excited by for 22 , i want to see more of Blakey too . Good talent but he needs to start putting together 20 games of good footy , not the odd one here n there . Liked him in defense
        Not rushing Campbell. But he,? like Gulden, Heens and Mills, is an extraordinary talent. Kids with his sort of ability with ball in hand are rare. We are lucky to have had Dawson. But even without him, Blakey, McInerney, Gulden, Campbell, Gould, Lloyd, Tom & Paddy Mac all use the ball so well. Add Warner, Florent (as long as his decision making improves), Rowbottom, Roberts, Rankin to that list and we have some super deliverers.

        Campbell, I have no doubt, is being groomed for the midfield. He spent time back and forward last year but this year I see him being released into the mids more. Whether it be as a winger, centre or Ruck Rover is the question. His delivery is sublime so he would be incredibly damaging on a wing. This would help make up for the loss of Dawson.

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        • TheBloods
          Suspended by the MRP
          • Feb 2020
          • 2047

          Originally posted by wolftone57
          Not rushing Campbell. But he,? like Gulden, Heens and Mills, is an extraordinary talent. Kids with his sort of ability with ball in hand are rare. We are lucky to have had Dawson. But even without him, Blakey, McInerney, Gulden, Campbell, Gould, Lloyd, Tom & Paddy Mac all use the ball so well. Add Warner, Florent (as long as his decision making improves), Rowbottom, Roberts, Rankin to that list and we have some super deliverers.

          Campbell, I have no doubt, is being groomed for the midfield. He spent time back and forward last year but this year I see him being released into the mids more. Whether it be as a winger, centre or Ruck Rover is the question. His delivery is sublime so he would be incredibly damaging on a wing. This would help make up for the loss of Dawson.

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          Agree he will be in midfield but wont be this yr , unless he does what Chad did .

          Heeney ,Chad, Gulden , Stephens to come into the mid group from our elim final , doesnt leave much room for Campbell does it

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          • wolftone57
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            • Aug 2008
            • 5857

            Originally posted by TheBloods
            Agree he will be in midfield but wont be this yr , unless he does what Chad did .

            Heeney ,Chad, Gulden , Stephens to come into the mid group from our elim final , doesnt leave much room for Campbell does it
            I think he will play a wing

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            • i'm-uninformed2
              Reefer Madness
              • Oct 2003
              • 4653

              Originally posted by wolftone57
              In the Under 19's he had that capacity so I don't see why that should have changed. He was used in the All Stars Under 19 game on GF day as a forward because he is incredibly damaging around goal. From memory I think he kicked 4 and was BOG with about 14 disposals. Shows there is hope that a non mid might one day win a Brownlow.

              I think after 2 preseasons he will have the tank.

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              Put simply, the difference in the tank and physical hardness needed between under19s and AFL is mammoth for any player, but particularly a midfielder.

              Hell, as good as say Chad was last year, I posted on here before he got injured that I thought there were signs of fatigue and a rest may have been in order. Both Gulden and Campbell got injured too. Even the most natural runners take a few years to get there. You even look at the difference between his first and third years of a freak like Sam Walsh. Cam Rayner, a No1 pick, largely played forward his first three years with a few bursts in the middle. Petracca followed a similar pattern. Andrew McGrath played down back his first two or three years.

              It's no knock on Campbell. If he can occasionally pinch hit through the middle this year, I'll consider that a win. But I don't have any major expectations. And I'd rather be a bit patient with a precious asset than burn him out.

              Out of interest, have any training watchers got insights to add on how he's being used in pre-season training?
              Last edited by i'm-uninformed2; 7 February 2022, 02:39 PM.
              'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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              • wolftone57
                Veterans List
                • Aug 2008
                • 5857

                Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                Put simply, the difference in the tank and physical hardness needed between under19s and AFL is mammoth for any player, but particularly a midfielder.

                Hell, as good as say Chad was last year, I posted on here before he got injured that I thought there were signs of fatigue and a rest may have been in order. Both Gulden and Campbell got injured too. Even the most natural runners take a few years to get there. You even look at the difference between his first and third years of a freak like Sam Walsh. Cam Rayner, a No1 pick, largely played forward his first three years with a few bursts in the middle. Petracca followed a similar pattern. Andrew McGrath played down back his first two or three years.

                It's no knock on Campbell. If he can occasionally pinch hit through the middle this year, I'll consider that a win. But I don't have any major expectations. And I'd rather be a bit patient with a precious asset than burn him out.
                Look. Playing on wing rotating HFF is going to be the way we go this year. Maybe some rotating HB. Not Campbell though. Not more HB for him. He is not training with the backs. I think there are a whole group of players that can rotate through those positions and it gives us lots of options, therefore players need less tank and have more zip. It also makes us far more unpredictable. I do not believe in the old way of playing anymore. We need to be different and use every resource in every way we can.

                Campbell will play wing but he will also play HF. Chad will play mid and HF. Blakey HB and wing. Stephens Wing/Mids/HB, Roberts, if he is included, wing and HF. Rankin, If he gets a game, HB & wing. There are a plethora of rotations. That helps to ease the problem of players getting winded. When you look at the other rotations it makes sense

                Heens Mid/HF/FF/FP
                Paps HF/FP/Mids
                Parker Mids/HF
                Kennedy Mids/HF
                Ollie Wing/Mids/HF
                Mills Mids/HF
                McInerney Wing/Mids/HB


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                • i'm-uninformed2
                  Reefer Madness
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 4653

                  Thanks for the clarification on where he's (not) training.

                  And I agree with the flexibility piece. It was a huge asset for us last year and hopefully we continue to develop it. For example, Lloyd player higher up the ground at times in the back end of last year. And I'm a huge fan of a couple of players like Paps and JMac pinch hitting in the centre square to give us a fresh mix and real spark. Gulden mixed between high half forward and wing at times at the back end of the year and it worked a treat, for him and the team. If Campbell can step up, brilliant.

                  The wing spots will be fascinating, as we arguably have five or six players who can roll through. My starting wingers right now would be Heeney and JMac. I think it's their best position, they complement each other well, have varying skills and strengths, both are good marks (which is important for a winger), have excellent foot skills, tough at the contest and can kick goals playing there (let alone Heeney's obvious ability to go forward and do it). JMac would potentially play more as a defensive winger, and Heeney more forward of the ball. But that's just a personal preference and with rotations during a game and evolution of the game plan over the season others will get a crack.
                  'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                  • dejavoodoo44
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                    • Apr 2015
                    • 8662

                    Originally posted by wolftone57
                    In the Under 19's he had that capacity so I don't see why that should have changed. He was used in the All Stars Under 19 game on GF day as a forward because he is incredibly damaging around goal. From memory I think he kicked 4 and was BOG with about 14 disposals. Shows there is hope that a non mid might one day win a Brownlow.

                    I think after 2 preseasons he will have the tank.

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                    If my memory is correct, he played as a midfielder in that All Stars game and kicked 3 long goals from around about the 50.

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                    • stevoswan
                      Veterans List
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 8560

                      Originally posted by TheBloods
                      Whats the rush with Campbell , am i missing something . Fantastic talent but is 20 in his 2nd year for christ sake . He will play games this yr and will be a jet in the future but if we are banking on him becoming a star this year then we 're in big trouble .

                      Dylan the one im more excited by for 22 , i want to see more of Blakey too . Good talent but he needs to start putting together 20 games of good footy , not the odd one here n there . Liked him in defense
                      I'm not sure anyone is 'banking' on him becoming a star this season, as in, if he doesn't we're stuffed. Like me, I think they see 'future star' and would like it to happen this season...if it doesn't, well it's still coming. Agree with you on Stephens and Blakey though.

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                      • Auntie.Gerald
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                        • Oct 2009
                        • 6480

                        I must say though with Campbell at 19yrs of age last year, he showed better decision thrn blakey and or Stephens

                        He send low darts at your face with out thinking twice.......effortlessly

                        Campbell could definitely be a player in 2022 that will be very tricky for us supporters to guess re his roles and or trajectory of impact.

                        Campbell is a bit of a wizard in attack and hence rated pick 5ish? in the draft.

                        He is up at 78kg already which ain't bad for a kid who has just turned 20yrs of age a few days ago.....but none of us know where he is at re cardio to run out games
                        "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                        • TheBloods
                          Suspended by the MRP
                          • Feb 2020
                          • 2047

                          Originally posted by stevoswan
                          I'm not sure anyone is 'banking' on him becoming a star this season, as in, if he doesn't we're stuffed. Like me, I think they see 'future star' and would like it to happen this season...if it doesn't, well it's still coming. Agree with you on Stephens and Blakey though.
                          Then why the desperation to see him ? I dont get it , if hes a future star he will prove it when he is ready . Til then we want our best team out there and if hes not in it then too bad . I think he will be some weeks , others he wont be , hes you ng and will find afl level too hard at times .

                          I would rather he spend the year in the vfl learning the midfield where he will ultimately spend his career , rather than playing on a wing or flank in the afl side just for the sake of giving him games

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                          • Kumarangk
                            Warming the Bench
                            • May 2015
                            • 151

                            Talking about Blakey, has he put on any muscle or beef in the off season ? It would complete him.

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                            • stevoswan
                              Veterans List
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 8560

                              Originally posted by TheBloods
                              Then why the desperation to see him ? I dont get it , if hes a future star he will prove it when he is ready . Til then we want our best team out there and if hes not in it then too bad . I think he will be some weeks , others he wont be , hes you ng and will find afl level too hard at times .

                              I would rather he spend the year in the vfl learning the midfield where he will ultimately spend his career , rather than playing on a wing or flank in the afl side just for the sake of giving him games
                              I'm not 'desperate' to see him become a star this season....by all means he can do it at his own pace, I'd just like him to be a star and the sooner the better. I think we all do. If that means plying his trade in the two's....fine. If he's deemed by our selectors of being good enough to be in our best team....even better. What will happen will happen.

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                              • Kumarangk
                                Warming the Bench
                                • May 2015
                                • 151

                                Talking about Blakey, has he put on any muscle or beef in the off season ? It would complete him.

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