Rd 3 vs Western Bulldogs @ Marvel - Match Thread

[mcs]

This is got nothing to do with buddy tho? Buddy isn't a good contested mark and this style doesn't suit him. This is something we have done pre buddy. It's just indicative of pressure panicked footy and not being able to lower our eyes. I'm pretty sure our team is aware that we are better going forward when our kicking is too a target rather than bombing. Bombing it forward isn't a symptom of buddy, it's a symptom of desperation

Sorry my point wasn't clear. I know it doesn't suit Buddy's style - but having that big name 'target' up forward you look to more often than not seems to encourage it as a default behaviour. And one thing I don't think we've consistently done for any extended time during his time at the club is kick consistently to Buddy's strengths - there has been various times where we've done a better job then others, but he has spent a fair chunk of his time at the club getting some unhelpful service to put it nicely.

At times in recent years, its been a reflection of our skill level often not being high enough to execute consistently a better approach. But its not solely something we only see when playing panicked or desperate football - I can think of plenty of times over the Buddy era, even in wins, where we have made him work much harder then he should by being too shotgun with our ball use.

My point was Buddy leaving might be the nexus to break that habit, not a suggestion we do it because of him. There will be a natural void for some period where we may well not have a dominant forward that is always the first thought in the mind. There may not be of course either, depending on development/recruitment - but we seem to be moving towards an approach where multiple avenues to goal is the default, and McDonald seems a medium term prospect before he really kicks on at AFL level (if indeed he does).

[Mel_C]

Spot on Ludwig. We were poor for most of the night. Yes the umpiring was atrocious but so was our skill errors and several efforts in our forward line where we just stood there and watched them mark the ball... (I'm looking at you Wicks).

We need this longer break to hopefully reset and get back to playing our brand.

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Yes I agree. The umpires were @@@@ but they don't cause our turnovers, fumbles and being out marked. Although I will say that some of those decisions/non decisions stopped our momentum. We lost it in the first half and we just couldn't get within a goal until the last minute.

It would have been really really satisfying to come from behind and win after that free kick count. (Even neutrals behind me were dismayed at some of the decisions).

[Mel_C]

Sam Naismith on twitter: "If I tweet about the umpires, is it 50?"

@@@@in' funny......

Haha that is hilarious ????

[Adelaide Swan]

From all reports, it sounds like it took us far too long to work out a way 'around' what a few seem to have described as a midfield flood from the Dogs, and then we resorted to bombing it long at will in the last when a little more thought needed to be put into how we use the ball. Some of that is composure and experience that will come in time.

The thing Amartey brings that Maclean doesn't is a better ability with second efforts at this point - I like Maclean but especially when up forward, he really does feel a bit of a one trick pony to some degree. When we deliver to advantage he can look really good, when we don't, he doesn't offer much.

This is no shot at Buddy - but I kind of hope when he does retire, it is the point we finally put 'bomb it and hope' to rest. Its still our 'revert to' approach when things are not going well. Once upon a time I fully understand why it was the way, but we have a team developing that it should become nothing but a last minute must find a goal sort of tactic (i.e. break in emergencies only). I feel it will happen at some point - but still hard to watch whenw e do.

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Look across their record against a lot of other teams and its repeated too - not just us that has had the short stick (though we were the final sacrificial offering in 2016 at the AFL fairy tale altar.)

The last point is bang on the money.

Last year's Grand Final was another example before the umpires stopped the bias and then Melbourne blew them away.

I haven't been as pleased to see a team win a Grand Final outside of ours as I was when the Dees flogged the Bullscum.

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[Bangalore Swans]

Wish I had Fox.....

Son of Craig, Ben McDermott just brought up his century with a 6.

[liz]

The banging in of the ball is frustrating, but no more than the inability of our forwards to create a contest at times. In that last ten minutes we repeatedly kicked it forward on a slow play to a crowded forward line and a Bulldog was able to take an uncontested mark while surrounded by traffic.

[longmile]

The banging in of the ball is frustrating, but no more than the inability of our forwards to create a contest at times. In that last ten minutes we repeatedly kicked it forward on a slow play to a crowded forward line and a Bulldog was able to take an uncontested mark while surrounded by traffic.

There was a fair few times when the game was on the line that multiple Swans forwards watched dogs players next to them take uncontested marks without competing for a mark under some belief someone else was going to bring it to ground. Almost as infuriating as the umpiring

[TheBloods]

Well , i am finally speechless

[Bangalore Swans]

The banging in of the ball is frustrating, but no more than the inability of our forwards to create a contest at times. In that last ten minutes we repeatedly kicked it forward on a slow play to a crowded forward line and a Bulldog was able to take an uncontested mark while surrounded by traffic.

Many fans would have been disappointed with the arial performance of the Swans key forwards. They failed to repeatedly bring the ball to ground and were out marked in 50/50 contests.

Could we swing Patty McCartin forward at times to help the forward line.

[Bexl]

I guess it's going to be another season of failing to convince anyone here that the free kick count simply isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, or that there is no reason to expect a count close to even in any one game!

when 1 teams players are tackled when they have the ball and drop it, normally holding the ball, and then get the free for holding the man and that happened twice it does influence a game with 5 points the difference with a minute to go. the umpiring was so inconsistent from 1 team to the other if you think that has no effect on a close game then sorry you are just wrong. If the rules were applied even close to evenly there is no way the dogs still no doubt win. the amount of shots on goal they got from frees where the same interpretation was NOT done at the other end has to have an effect on the result.

[mcs]

Many fans would have been disappointed with the arial performance of the Swans key forwards. They failed to repeatedly bring the ball to ground and were out marked in 50/50 contests.

Could we swing Patty McCartin forward at times to help the forward line.

I'd prefer we stick with the McCartin boys becoming the lynchpins of our defensive setup for the next 5+ years - robbing Peter to pay Paul if you start looking there for a solution to issues up forward in my opinion.

[TheBloods]

Gold coast suns future mid and Wicks will be out , Paps and Jmac in , Horse said barring setbacks they will be right to go

Told you all about Amartey , no skill . Mclean either . Might as well 've kept Mcdonald and kept trying with him

[Bangalore Swans]

I'd prefer we stick with the McCartin boys becoming the lynchpins of our defensive setup for the next 5+ years - robbing Peter to pay Paul if you start looking there for a solution to issues up forward in my opinion.

How good has Pat McCartin been. He’s intercepting the ball really well and delivers it expertly.

He reminds me of Brian Lake with his marking and kicking.

Brilliant moneyball selection.

[mcs]

Gold coast suns future mid and Wicks will be out , Paps and Jmac in , Horse said barring setbacks they will be right to go

Told you all about Amartey , no skill . Mclean either . Might as well 've kept Mcdonald and kept trying with him

Any chance one day your childish thinly veiled swipes will be an 'out'?

He was crap tonight. But so was about 3/4s of the team. You can say you think he shouldn't be in the team without the need for a side of spite or childish dribble.

Every person has their favourites and players they don't like/rate/whatever, but I've rarely seen such a intense focus on death riding a single player into oblivion like you have with Rowbottom.

How good has Pat McCartin been. He’s intercepting the ball really well and delivers it expertly.

He reminds me of Brian Lake with his marking and kicking.

Brilliant moneyball selection.

Certainly has settled in well. Reads the game like a good forward in terms of intercept marking. The two of them have a nice complimentary set of strengths that should serve us well.

[Industrial Fan]

High pressure contested footy ruined by umpiring.

The highlight was Kennedy caught HTB after he was immediately tackled followed by ugle hagan dropping the ball in a tackle being rewarded with a held free kick.

Longmire is a better man than I.