Why Cyril Rioli left Hawthorn

[KTigers]

You don 't need to throw the toys out , like i said i am on Cyril 's side on this , racism is wrong plain and simple , but what you now have are a bunch of hawthorn related people coming out trying to cover their back sides to ensure everyone knows - it wasn 't them ! Just in the last few days it 's been Hodge , O'Meara , Mitchell, Kennett , Burgoyne etc . Everyone is busy talking about who did what and who was on the good side , who stuck up for Cyril who didn 't, who has reached out to Cyril and who hasn 't

Instead of focusing on the racist incidents that happened and how to FIX it going forward . This is because Cyril cast a line out there that 's now turned into a who dun it . Only way to hold them truly accountable is to name names , otherwise they just come out with their "we are sorry" phony crap to try on behalf of the whole organisation and they make it die down and make sure no individual really cops the blowback . Believe me i worked in legal and corporate worlds once upon a time and this is exactly how it works . Cyril dealt them the softest hand and as i said he has opened himself up to legal action , luckily i doubt any one would dare given the nature of his allegations . But he should 've been represented before he blabbed to Caro wilson who is not to be trusted .

If it gets turned into a whodunnit its because these officials and ex players are worried about themselves and their public image.
Why do there always have to be so many rules, provisos and caveats before an indigenous footballer speaks his mind about racism
at footy clubs? I'm always reminded of "tough guy" Dermott saying the Carlton supporters at the SCG should have been warned before
the game that Adam might be doing a war dance that he had earlier done with an U16 team because it was "frightening". Dermott
didn't say how. Maybe a post on the Carlton Supporters facebook page? Or maybe Adam should have left an A4 flyer (entitled "U16 War
Dance Warning") on the seats in the bay where the Carlton fans were sitting?
It won't be long before sections of the AFL community are pushing for NDIS funding for white fellas feeling threatened by statements
about racism in football from indigenous players even though "it wasn't them".

[i'm-uninformed2]

You don 't need to throw the toys out , like i said i am on Cyril 's side on this , racism is wrong plain and simple , but what you now have are a bunch of hawthorn related people coming out trying to cover their back sides to ensure everyone knows - it wasn 't them ! Just in the last few days it 's been Hodge , O'Meara , Mitchell, Kennett , Burgoyne etc . Everyone is busy talking about who did what and who was on the good side , who stuck up for Cyril who didn 't, who has reached out to Cyril and who hasn 't

Instead of focusing on the racist incidents that happened and how to FIX it going forward . This is because Cyril cast a line out there that 's now turned into a who dun it . Only way to hold them truly accountable is to name names , otherwise they just come out with their "we are sorry" phony crap to try on behalf of the whole organisation and they make it die down and make sure no individual really cops the blowback . Believe me i worked in legal and corporate worlds once upon a time and this is exactly how it works . Cyril dealt them the softest hand and as i said he has opened himself up to legal action , luckily i doubt any one would dare given the nature of his allegations . But he should 've been represented before he blabbed to Caro wilson who is not to be trusted .

I kind of get your broader point about the motherhood statements being used to deflect. But I'm also not sure there is a single quote in the article from either Cyril or his wife that anyone could point to as meeting the legal test of defamation.

I am curious about your claim that Caro isn't to be trusted. I personally find her one of the better ones usually (though she obviously lost the case re Adelaide and its offseason camp), and she was leader of the pack on Adam. If I had a critique of her article it was the ripped jeans incident meant the focus fell on Kennett, and it was obviously the final straw and he's not someone I'm here to defend. But the bulk of the incidents happened whilst that turd Newbold was president, and he doesn't rate a mention.

[TheBloods]

I kind of get your broader point about the motherhood statements being used to deflect. But I'm also not sure there is a single quote in the article from either Cyril or his wife that anyone could point to as meeting the legal test of defamation.

I am curious about your claim that Caro isn't to be trusted. I personally find her one of the better ones usually (though she obviously lost the case re Adelaide and its offseason camp), and she was leader of the pack on Adam. If I had a critique of her article it was the ripped jeans incident meant the focus fell on Kennett, and it was obviously the final straw and he's not someone I'm here to defend. But the bulk of the incidents happened whilst that turd Newbold was president, and he doesn't rate a mention.

She isnt to be trusted because she is a reporter . She is just doing her job but that is to get the story out of Cyril . She wouldn 't give a rats you know what if there was any blowback for him

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If it gets turned into a whodunnit its because these officials and ex players are worried about themselves and their public image.
Why do there always have to be so many rules, provisos and caveats before an indigenous footballer speaks his mind about racism
at footy clubs? I'm always reminded of "tough guy" Dermott saying the Carlton supporters at the SCG should have been warned before
the game that Adam might be doing a war dance that he had earlier done with an U16 team because it was "frightening". Dermott
didn't say how. Maybe a post on the Carlton Supporters facebook page? Or maybe Adam should have left an A4 flyer (entitled "U16 War
Dance Warning") on the seats in the bay where the Carlton fans were sitting?
It won't be long before sections of the AFL community are pushing for NDIS funding for white fellas feeling threatened by statements
about racism in football from indigenous players even though "it wasn't them".

If your going to come out with any accusation you need to know who you 're accusing . Doesn 't matter if its about racism or anything else . How else are consequences supposed to be handed out if no one is taking the hits ?

[i'm-uninformed2]

If it gets turned into a whodunnit its because these officials and ex players are worried about themselves and their public image.
Why do there always have to be so many rules, provisos and caveats before an indigenous footballer speaks his mind about racism
at footy clubs? I'm always reminded of "tough guy" Dermott saying the Carlton supporters at the SCG should have been warned before
the game that Adam might be doing a war dance that he had earlier done with an U16 team because it was "frightening". Dermott
didn't say how. Maybe a post on the Carlton Supporters facebook page? Or maybe Adam should have left an A4 flyer (entitled "U16 War
Dance Warning") on the seats in the bay where the Carlton fans were sitting?
It won't be long before sections of the AFL community are pushing for NDIS funding for white fellas feeling threatened by statements
about racism in football from indigenous players even though "it wasn't them".

Was it Charlie Pickering who did the riff around that time on 'how dare an indigenous player during indigenous round wearing an indigenous guernsey kicking a football with an indigenous image on it do an indigenous thing without telling anybody?'

[Ruck'n'Roll]

She isnt to be trusted because she is a reporter . She is just doing her job but that is to get the story out of Cyril . She wouldn 't give a rats you know what if there was any blowback for him.

For someone who was railing against other posters condemnatory generalisations, that is a stupendously broad brush you're using to tar Wilson.

[neilfws]

What seemed strange to me was the lack of indigenous players coming out in support of Goodesy. Maybe they were afraid to.

Maybe they were - at least one admits as much.

‘I was drowning inside’: Betts feared same fate as Goodes if he called out racial abuse earlier

The quote "I had a big smile on my face but I was drowning inside" makes that Colgate "smile strong" advertisement ring rather hollow. As my partner said "that ad should have racists and misogynists looking in the mirror as they brush their teeth."

[TheBloods]

For someone who was railing against other posters condemnatory generalisations, that is a stupendously broad brush you're using to tar Wilson.

Nothing against her , she does her job and is good at it . Top of a reporters priority list is get the story , not the consequences for the person giving the story . Thats the nature of the beast

[KTigers]

Was it Charlie Pickering who did the riff around that time on 'how dare an indigenous player during indigenous round wearing an indigenous guernsey kicking a football with an indigenous image on it do an indigenous thing without telling anybody?'

It was outrageous. Look at the damage it did to the Carlton footy club. It's taken them seven years after that terrifying day to be able to
put together three good games in a row.

[Industrial Fan]

Burgoyne seems an Uncle Tom to me.

His half time interview tonight was a total dead bat and I thought he threw Cyril under the bus. Didn’t see anything, not to my knowledge etc.

Such a shame because he could have been such an important voice in that whole saga.