Match thread. Swans v North.

[Ludwig]

This is why i get frustrated . I cop it for knocking a certain player but we have made list decisions like getting rid of Hewett and now selection decisions like dropping Stephens / playing Joey at hbf all to show faith in someone who hasn 't earned it to date . If it 's a misjudgment that only effected one player then i wouldn 't judge it so hard , but it 's a misjudgment that has a knock on effect and starts to impact what happens with other players , the team , the list going forward etc . Makes it concerning and hard to let go of

I'm not surprised that Hewett is doing so well at Carlton, but it doesn't change the circumstances surrounding why we let him go. He was too expensive to keep in a side that already has an excess of slower inside mids and a game plan that's built for speed. Rowbottom, who effectively takes Hewett's place in the side, is already ahead of Hewett in his development at the same point in their respective careers.

It's sad that a champion player like Kennedy has to go out this way. I noted last year that he was too slow for the current game plan. And now he's become a liability. He's totally off the pace of the game. He should either be the medical sub or traveling emergency.

I would have preferred to drop Kennedy and keep Stephens in the side for this game. That said, Stephens didn't have a good enough game in the VFL to warrant a recall. Both Roberts and Clarke were better in our midfield.

I like McLean's goal kicking accuracy, but think he gives up a bit too much in overall play. I think both McDonald and Amartey are better tall forward options at this time. Hopefully he can improve his athleticism and defensive work. I'm more than happy to have him on our list.

For those who are dissatisfied with both Lloyd and Hayward, consider swapping them. I thought Hayward did well when he was tried in defence. He offers more height and speed than Lloyd in defence, while Lloyd would offer a steady hand on the wing and HFF. He's always been a good decision maker and delivers the ball well into the forward line. With Florent and McInerney getting more time on ball, Lloyd can fill the gap on the outside.

[Bangalore Swans]

People know what gets me ticked off.

“Umpire abuse 50m penalties”.

Hayward gave a away a terrible umpire abuse free kick late in the game. Gulden gave away one that became a certain goal.

I was tough on Papley last year for his three umpire abuse penalties.

What should be the consequences for Gulden and Hayward?

Should they both be dropped?

[AB Swannie]

People know what gets me ticked off.

“Umpire abuse 50m penalties”.

Hayward gave a away a terrible umpire abuse free kick late in the game. Gulden gave away one that became a certain goal.

I was tough on Papley last year for his three umpire abuse penalties.

What should be the consequences for Gulden and Hayward?

Should they both be dropped?

No.

[AB Swannie]

I'm not surprised that Hewett is doing so well at Carlton, but it doesn't change the circumstances surrounding why we let him go. He was too expensive to keep in a side that already has an excess of slower inside mids and a game plan that's built for speed. Rowbottom, who effectively takes Hewett's place in the side, is already ahead of Hewett in his development at the same point in their respective careers.

It's sad that a champion player like Kennedy has to go out this way. I noted last year that he was too slow for the current game plan. And now he's become a liability. He's totally off the pace of the game. He should either be the medical sub or traveling emergency.

I would have preferred to drop Kennedy and keep Stephens in the side for this game. That said, Stephens didn't have a good enough game in the VFL to warrant a recall. Both Roberts and Clarke were better in our midfield.

I like McLean's goal kicking accuracy, but think he gives up a bit too much in overall play. I think both McDonald and Amartey are better tall forward options at this time. Hopefully he can improve his athleticism and defensive work. I'm more than happy to have him on our list.

For those who are dissatisfied with both Lloyd and Hayward, consider swapping them. I thought Hayward did well when he was tried in defence. He offers more height and speed than Lloyd in defence, while Lloyd would offer a steady hand on the wing and HFF. He's always been a good decision maker and delivers the ball well into the forward line. With Florent and McInerney getting more time on ball, Lloyd can fill the gap on the outside.

I think Lloyd could be the Hewett equivalent at the end of the year - is a fine player who could still be in our team for a few years but will be more expensive and slower than players who can replace him.

[stevoswan]

People know what gets me ticked off.

“Umpire abuse 50m penalties”.

Hayward gave a away a terrible umpire abuse free kick late in the game. Gulden gave away one that became a certain goal.

I was tough on Papley last year for his three umpire abuse penalties.

What should be the consequences for Gulden and Hayward?

Should they both be dropped?

You said Papley should be dropped after his first one so I guess you've already answered your own question. Likewise, you'll get the same response.....'no'.

[Meg]

Match thread. Swans v North.

“Umpire abuse 50m penalties”.

What should be the consequences for Gulden and Hayward?
Should they both be dropped?

No they should not be dropped.

However I hope Longmire has given (or will give) both of them a ‘roast’ for their acts of ill discipline. We were very lucky to win following the 50m penalty caused by Hayward in the final two minutes.

[Nico]

The game turned in the last quarter when finally they had the nous to put 2 players in the guts, who were prepared to attack the footy at a centre bounce. Florent and Jmac gave us some much needed speed out of the centre. They didn't stop running.

Maybe now they will look at who they always start in the guts. For me it is Warner, Campbell, Florent and JMac. On one hand they talk about building a team around speed yet they persist in putting the snails and turtles in at centre bounces, when with the 6/6/6 rule the world was spruiking the need to have speed and bust from centre clearances. The thing about these four is that they can roost the footy. Kennedy takes a month of Sundays to get his foot to the footy, Mills is an average kick and Parker lacks the leg speed. Mills and Parker are ball magnets around the ground so let that be their forte.

By the end of the game we won the centre clearances 13/12 because we dominated that area in the last quarter.

This is another reason why teams take the ball away from our forward line. We don't win the quick clearances so teams get back in droves and our forwards have no chance.

[AB Swannie]

The game turned in the last quarter when finally they had the nous to put 2 players in the guts, who were prepared to attack the footy at a centre bounce. Florent and Jmac gave us some much needed speed out of the centre. They didn't stop running.

Maybe now they will look at who they always start in the guts. For me it is Warner, Campbell, Florent and JMac. On one hand they talk about building a team around speed yet they persist in putting the snails and turtles in at centre bounces, when with the 6/6/6 rule the world was spruiking the need to have speed and bust from centre clearances. The thing about these four is that they can roost the footy. Kennedy takes a month of Sundays to get his foot to the footy, Mills is an average kick and Parker lacks the leg speed. Mills and Parker are ball magnets around the ground so let that be their forte.

By the end of the game we won the centre clearances 13/12 because we dominated that area in the last quarter.

This is another reason why teams take the ball away from our forward line. We don't win the quick clearances so teams get back in droves and our forwards have no chance.

Agree with a lot of this but can't agree with your assessment on Mills' kicking. He is a good kick. Yesterday he had a kicking efficiency of 86.7%.

[Aaron]

Round 4 Kang V Swans CBA statistics:
Sydney 29 - Callum Mills 23, Peter Ladhams 22, Ollie Florent 15, Chad Warner 13, Luke Parker 11, James Rowbottom 7, Sam Reid 7, Justin McInerney 5, Errol Gulden 4 & Josh Kennedy 3.

North Melbourne 29 - Jy Simpkin 26, Jason Horne-Francis 22, Luke Davies-Uniacke 15, Tristan Xerri 15, Todd Goldstein 14, Hugh Greenwood 14 & Jaidyn Stephenson 10.

Swans rotated more players in CBA. Hope that those faster and skillful players can attend more.

[TheBloods]

The game turned in the last quarter when finally they had the nous to put 2 players in the guts, who were prepared to attack the footy at a centre bounce. Florent and Jmac gave us some much needed speed out of the centre. They didn't stop running.

Maybe now they will look at who they always start in the guts. For me it is Warner, Campbell, Florent and JMac. On one hand they talk about building a team around speed yet they persist in putting the snails and turtles in at centre bounces, when with the 6/6/6 rule the world was spruiking the need to have speed and bust from centre clearances. The thing about these four is that they can roost the footy. Kennedy takes a month of Sundays to get his foot to the footy, Mills is an average kick and Parker lacks the leg speed. Mills and Parker are ball magnets around the ground so let that be their forte.

By the end of the game we won the centre clearances 13/12 because we dominated that area in the last quarter.

This is another reason why teams take the ball away from our forward line. We don't win the quick clearances so teams get back in droves and our forwards have no chance.

Spot on but wrong about Mills and Parker . Need a mix of tough and pace or we become predictable , look at Bombers , all flashy mids but they are soft af

[Nico]

Agree with a lot of this but can't agree with your assessment on Mills' kicking. He is a good kick. Yesterday he had a kicking efficiency of 86.7%.

But he doesn't kick it a long way. He doesn't get a lot of depth in his kicking. Not saying he isn't an efficient kick, but I am talking about value out of the centre.

[Nico]

Spot on but wrong about Mills and Parker . Need a mix of tough and pace or we become predictable , look at Bombers , all flashy mids but they are soft af

But Warner, Campbell and Jmac are not soft cocks and Florent showed a side to him that is not so obvious. They got desperate to win the game. No point having tough at centre bounces when they produce little, because that is what it has been. Frankly with those 4 in there we become less predictable.
Even the worst sides beat us out of the guts because we are predictable. We block and we hold and anything else but straight for the footy. Hickey seems to get more centre clearances than the mids as did Amartey last week.

[AB Swannie]

But he doesn't kick it a long way. He doesn't get a lot of depth in his kicking. Not saying he isn't an efficient kick, but I am talking about value out of the centre.

We will have to agree to disagree here. Check his 50metre kick to Heeney in the last.

[TheBloods]

But Warner, Campbell and Jmac are not soft cocks and Florent showed a side to him that is not so obvious. They got desperate to win the game. No point having tough at centre bounces when they produce little, because that is what it has been. Frankly with those 4 in there we become less predictable.
Even the worst sides beat us out of the guts because we are predictable. We block and we hold and anything else but straight for the footy. Hickey seems to get more centre clearances than the mids as did Amartey last week.

Did i say they were soft ? They aren 't tough , theres a difference . The reason they were effective is cause they hadn 't been in the guts all game ! Entirely different thing to be in there all day . You need muscle and strength or you will be rooted by half time . They are hard nuts , yes . Tough bodies , no.

But i like Jmac in the guts and needs to be there more . Him Chad Mills Parker Gulden and Florent is a fantastic mid group . Need time together

[Nico]

Did i say they were soft ? They aren 't tough , theres a difference . The reason they were effective is cause they hadn 't been in the guts all game ! Entirely different thing to be in there all day . You need muscle and strength or you will be rooted by half time . They are hard nuts , yes . Tough bodies , no.

But i like Jmac in the guts and needs to be there more . Him Chad Mills Parker Gulden and Florent is a fantastic mid group . Need time together

By comparing them as a group with the Essendon group that was the inference I got. I disagree with your points above.