Round 9 vs Bombers @ SCG - match thread

[RogueSwan]

Getting sick of the same old arguments back and forward lately. Tempted to follow the same path as Rock Lobster, Aunty Gerard, Stella and those who talked about the team and not themselves.

It would be more bearable if the ignore option also worked on quotes.

[bloodspirit]

I confess I didn't go and look at vision when I made my earlier post. I have no doubt that the majority of the bumps that Pickett was lauded for over his career would fall foul of today's MRO and tribunal.

So I just went to seek out vision of the Kirk bump and found it quite close to the start of this compilation.

Byron Pickett unleashes brutal bumps and massive torps | Cult-Figure Fridays | 2020 | AFL - YouTube

It's actually hard to see the extent of head high contact from the full speed vision, and there is no slo-mo on this compilation. Certainly the brunt of the force was to Kirk's body but his head immediately goes back. I can't tell whether there was direct contact or if it was just a whiplash-type reaction.

Either way, it doesn't really detract from my point that the duty of care in certain football actions has changed over time.

Great link liz! Byron really was a master of the bump based on that montage (and assisted by his shorter stature and low centre of gravity). I think he clearly got Kirk's body in that instance - Kirk's head goes forward on impact and then recoils like whiplash as his body is thrown the other way. Totally legitimate. Might explain why Kirk was able to play out the game although no doubt he would have been very sore. There's a reason he was dubbed the toughest man alive!

[TheBloods]

Sick of hearing about ####### Parker 's sledge to Shiel

THEY ARE MATES FROM WAY BACK FFS PLAYED FOR DANDENONG TOGETHER AND CAUGHT UP EVERY FEW WEEKS WHEN HE WAS A GIANT !

[Bangalore Swans]

Sick of hearing about ####### Parker 's sledge to Shiel

THEY ARE MATES FROM WAY BACK FFS PLAYED FOR DANDENONG TOGETHER AND CAUGHT UP EVERY FEW WEEKS WHEN HE WAS A GIANT !

TB. Caroline Wilson is now weighing in.

I can see you coming in off the long run.

“Arrogant, juvenile, humiliating, nasty”: Wilson slams Parker for taunting Shiel

[TheBloods]

TB. Caroline Wilson is now weighing in.

I can see you coming in off the long run.

“Arrogant, juvenile, humiliating, nasty”: Wilson slams Parker for taunting Shiel

She is who im talking about , media vultures . Luke parker is one of the fairest in the comp and has a bit of banter with an old mate after they 'd been going at each other all night and now cops this . Its rubbish . Move on

[Bangalore Swans]

I think it’s essential that the Swans withdraw Parker (managed) from the 1st of July game v Essendon.

If the Dons are still losing, their sole focus for that game will be trying to run through Parker.

All the old Essendon legends will be firing up the Dons player group to take a stand against Parker in the week of the game.

The 1st of July game has the makings of the famous 2004 Dons V Hawks “line in the sand” game.

I just hope the Swans don’t put Parker in that situation.

[Mark26]

I think it’s essential that the Swans withdraw Parker (managed) from the 1st of July game v Essendon.

If the Dons are still losing, their sole focus for that game will be trying to run through Parker.

All the old Essendon legends will be firing up the Dons player group to take a stand against Parker in the week of the game.

The 1st of July game has the makings of the famous 2004 Dons V Hawks “line in the sand” game.

I just hope the Swans don’t put Parker in that situation.

Are you for real?

Parker can and will take anything that's thrown his way and will respond with hardness. He doesn't need protection or management. He needs to keep bringing his agro every week. It's spectacular to watch and lifts his team mates.

And to use obscure pop culture references I know you love Banga, Parker is the embodiment of every Chuck Norris meme. Every hyperbolic claim attributed to Chuck can be found under the number 26 guernsey.

[TheBloods]

I think it’s essential that the Swans withdraw Parker (managed) from the 1st of July game v Essendon.

If the Dons are still losing, their sole focus for that game will be trying to run through Parker.

All the old Essendon legends will be firing up the Dons player group to take a stand against Parker in the week of the game.

The 1st of July game has the makings of the famous 2004 Dons V Hawks “line in the sand” game.

I just hope the Swans don’t put Parker in that situation.

We are not like them . We stick up for our teammates . Parker will be well supported . If they want to make Parker their sole focus , good . Let them forget about Mills , The Chad, Jmac and Gulden .

[Bangalore Swans]

We are not like them . We stick up for our teammates . Parker will be well supported . If they want to make Parker their sole focus , good . Let them forget about Mills , The Chad, Jmac and Gulden .

This could happen in the 1st of July match.

AFL Line in The Sand Incident 11/6/2004 . Essendon v Hawthorn Anazing Scenes . - YouTube

The result could possibly be that someone from the Swans will get hurt or several Swans will get suspended in a fracas.

If the Don’s have nothing to play for by the 1st of July this could happen. Loyd, Cornes, Brown, BT - they will all be talking up the Essendon response before the 1st of July game. Heppell has been condemned by Cornes for giving a mature answer to the Parker question.

You manage Parker and the sting goes out.

[Goal Sneak]

This could happen in the 1st of July match.

AFL Line in The Sand Incident 11/6/2004 . Essendon v Hawthorn Anazing Scenes . - YouTube

The result could possibly be that someone from the Swans will get hurt or several Swans will get suspended in a fracas.

If the Don’s have nothing to play for by the 1st of July this could happen. Loyd, Cornes, Brown, BT - they will all be talking up the Essendon response before the 1st of July game. Heppell has been condemned by Cornes for giving a mature answer to the Parker question.

You manage Parker and the sting goes out.

No way. Not ever. It would be weak.

[Faunac8]

She is who im talking about , media vultures . Luke parker is one of the fairest in the comp and has a bit of banter with an old mate after they 'd been going at each other all night and now cops this . Its rubbish . Move on

One of the angles of the interaction showed Shiel’s smiling back and appearing to shake his head.
I think it upset the commentators much more than the player involved.
Great insight into their history playing together I wasn’t aware that they were mates thanks for sharing.

[wolftone57]

This is something I've been wondering for years now....ever since 'blocking' free kicks started to be paid. I believe the rule is you can shepherd an opponent as long as the ball is within 5m.

I don't think the umpires are totally aware themselves....there seems to be confusion as to what constitutes a 'block' and what constitutes a 'shepherd'. 20 years ago, Rowbottom's bump/shepherd whatever it was, would have attracted little scrutiny.

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Obviously not you. No one is surprised.

A shepherd can only be carried out if your teammate has the ball. You are protecting the person with the ball. If you do the same thing when the ball is in dispute then it is a block. You can legally take a player out by bumping him off balance to ensure a, teammate gets the ball but you cannot put y?u ám out in a shepherding motion in a n?king contest ? contested ball. Ythis í impeding a player's run ?y the contest án illegally blocking.

Th? ?e so many íntances ò blocking in the m?king contest that are lauded by ex players. But technically every one is illegal of a players mover to deliberately impede an opponent's run at the contest. If you stand still in the way of, am opponent that is quite legal. But move to intercept a players run in a marking contest is illegal blocking

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[TheBloods]

We are going the full roost tonight .

We are gonna try get it down to a fine or thrown out completely .
We are saying RB came in at speed to tackle Merrett ,not bump.
Merrett fumbles so RB didnt deliberately run past the ball
Split second on a slippery SCG wicket
Pushed by Mills
Knows he cant tackle or will give away a free
Braces for inevitable contact so not a bump , but a fend
Was doing what he could not to infringe and to minimise inevitable contact
Not a high bump , more through upper body and chest (dont know about this didnt Merrett grab his nose ?
Not conclusive in footage that it gets him in the head
Medical report totally clear
No free kick paid on the night
Merrett played on with no issues
No concussion test needed
Questioning the word "usually" when grading high bumps as medium , so must be cases where high bumps arent upgraded to medium

Its a very thorough argument and we will come in fully armed to fight it . You know what i think of him so its no skin off my nose , this is just what we are doing . Important we stand by our players .

[Roadrunner]

We are going the full roost tonight .

We are gonna try get it down to a fine or thrown out completely .
We are saying RB came in at speed to tackle Merrett ,not bump.
Merrett fumbles so RB didnt deliberately run past the ball
Split second on a slippery SCG wicket
Pushed by Mills
Knows he cant tackle or will give away a free
Braces for inevitable contact so not a bump , but a fend
Was doing what he could not to infringe and to minimise inevitable contact
Not a high bump , more through upper body and chest (dont know about this didnt Merrett grab his nose ?
Not conclusive in footage that it gets him in the head
Medical report totally clear
No free kick paid on the night
Merrett played on with no issues
No concussion test needed
Questioning the word "usually" when grading high bumps as medium , so must be cases where high bumps arent upgraded to medium

Its a very thorough argument and we will come in fully armed to fight it . You know what i think of him so its no skin off my nose , this is just what we are doing . Important we stand by our players .

Great summary TB. Let’s hope it succeeds!

[Faunac8]

From the Laws Of Australian Football on the AFL resources site comes this definition
Shepherd: the act of a Player using the body to push, bump or block an opposition Player who does not have possession of the football and who is no further than five metres away from the football.

Seems like James fulfilled that criteria quite clearly it’s just the point of contact in dispute.
It doesn’t appear to matter where you are in relation to the ball as long as you are within five metres so mentions of running past the ball are irrelevant.