Club sponsorship and value conflicts

[Captain]

Swans are sponsored by Qatar Airlines, Volkswagen and HSBC

Qatar - human rights abuses as described before

Volkswagen - founded under the Nazis and used slave labour producing vehicles during World War 2 as well as providing transport vehicles in relation to the concentration camps

HSBC - Involved in money laundering for drug cartels in South America and some of its accounts in Saudi Arabia linked to terrorist organizations.

Where do we start and stop with these sorts of issues, especially if you start going way back in time? In Rinehart's case, it is not even her, but her father.

Exactly!!

Could go on as well. Nike (sweat shops and poor human rights), McDonalds (obesity), Origin (fracking), Coca Cola (health + many ethical issues) etc.

[joeykanga]

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While I agree with the crux of your post (about the little people), I'll remove the sarcasm from your last sentence by changing it to "some people who still have a moral compass and believe integrity is still important in life....and business.....and in turn sport, have spoken".....and yes, the world hopefully WILL be a much better place for it. What sporting organisations need to understand and be reminded of is that if they didn't have the players, they would not even exist. They would not have a cash cow which they can exploit to make them rich....they would actually have nothing.

We all understand 'the realities of business'.....that should actually read the 'negative realities of business', because there are many......so it's about time businesses returned to a more morals based approach to getting rich if they want to have their name up in lights being associated with the 'wholesomeness' of sport....instead of using/exploiting sport to launder their tainted public image. It can and should work both ways. Money has ruled over morals for way too long now and public apathy and acceptance of this apparent 'reality' should cease. It seems sports people in general are realising this and are way ahead of many members of the public, where apathy appears to reign supreme.

Thank you for articulating that so well
+1

[Kafka's Ghost]

Exactly!!

Could go on as well. Nike (sweat shops and poor human rights), McDonalds (obesity), Origin (fracking), Coca Cola (health + many ethical issues) etc.

You’re slightly incorrect regarding VW. The original company was set up to mass produce cars, and were part of the Kraft Durch Freude system the Nazis set up. It was a state-owned entity.
After WW2 and that evil regime’s downfall, a British Major named Hirst worked to set up a German car industry. Along with a former Opel engineer named Nordhoff they established the Volkswagen company that we know today. A bit more complex, but that’s the gist of it. Despite this post-war company not being a direct descendent of the Nazi entity, the VW group agreed to pay reparations to survivors and their families of the concentration camp inmates the Nazis used as slave labour.
The car the Nazis mass produced, the Beetle, was the easiest one to produce post-war, so the new company just used the old design, making it the icon it became.


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[Blood Fever]

You’re slightly incorrect regarding VW. The original company was set up to mass produce cars, and were part of the Kraft Durch Freude system the Nazis set up. It was a state-owned entity.
After WW2 and that evil regime’s downfall, a British Major named Hirst worked to set up a German car industry. Along with a former Opel engineer named Nordhoff they established the Volkswagen company that we know today. A bit more complex, but that’s the gist of it. Despite this post-war company not being a direct descendent of the Nazi entity, the VW group agreed to pay reparations to survivors and their families of the concentration camp inmates the Nazis used as slave labour.
The car the Nazis mass produced, the Beetle, was the easiest one to produce post-war, so the new company just used the old design, making it the icon it became.


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Fair enough. Thanks for the info.

[barry]

Fair enough. Thanks for the info.

Two days ago you wanted to cancel them!

[Blood Fever]

Two days ago you wanted to cancel them!

No I didn't. I simply asked how far do you want to go back to point the finger at people. Quite the opposite. Can't believe you didn't get the point. Very silly post.

[Bloods05]

No I didn't. I simply asked how far do you want to go back to point the finger at people. Quite the opposite. Can't believe you didn't get the point. Very silly post.

Not really. You raised the rhetorical question "Where do we start and stop?" and thereby implied that we can't make moral choices about these things. Just because an issue is difficult doesn't mean we can avoid grappling with it.

[Blood Fever]

Not really. You raised the rhetorical question "Where do we start and stop?" and thereby implied that we can't make moral choices about these things. Just because an issue is difficult doesn't mean we can avoid grappling with it.

Get your point but the poster claimed I wanted to cancel them. Not so.

[barry]

You're the only one who mentioned VW in this whole thread.

Shows the folly of the strawman argument style. Quite immature.

[Blood Fever]

You're the only one who mentioned VW in this whole thread.

Shows the folly of the strawman argument style. Quite immature.

You miss the point. No substance in your original claim.

[Captain]

You're the only one who mentioned VW in this whole thread.

Shows the folly of the strawman argument style. Quite immature.

You have totally missed his point. Only straws are the ones your are clutching.

[barry]

You miss the point. No substance in your original claim.

The point had no substance. No one from the "players can make their own moral calls" camp called out VW. Only the "player should just shut up" camp did.

[Blood Fever]

The point had no substance. No one from the "players can make their own moral calls" camp called out VW. Only the "player should just shut up" camp did.

Weird interpretation

[barry]

To be clearer:
You said (paraphrasing), those in the "players can make their own moral calls" camp should also take a stand (IE cancel) against VW.
That's classic strawman. No one in that camp considered VW for the reason explained earlier.
VW was only brought into the debate by the authoritarian camp, and only used, poorly, as an attempt to broaden the scope so much to make the targeted approach against old Gina less effective.

It's an approach condemned by anyone with an IQ above 10.

When you are losing the debate, change the debate. Lol.

[Blood Fever]

To be clearer:
You said (paraphrasing), those in the "players can make their own moral calls" camp should also take a stand (IE cancel) against VW.
That's classic strawman. No one in that camp considered VW for the reason explained earlier.
VW was only brought into the debate by the authoritarian camp, and only used, poorly, as an attempt to broaden the scope so much to make the targeted approach against old Gina less effective.

It's an approach condemned by anyone with an IQ above 10.

When you are losing the debate, change the debate. Lol.

As I said, weird stuff.