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  • MattW
    Veterans List
    • May 2011
    • 4231

    Swans chat All-Australian Swans?

    I am wondering what you all think about the likelihood the Swans will have an All-Australian representative this year and who's the most likely/deserving candidate.

    I think, on balance, we won't. Mills is probably the most likely, but I think Heeney is the most deserving: 46 goals, 17 disposal pg, 7 score involvements pg and 4.5 tackles pg. Vying with Shai Bolton as the best all-round forward half player in the comp.
    Last edited by MattW; 21 August 2022, 08:57 PM.
  • mcs
    Travelling Swannie!!
    • Jul 2007
    • 8177

    #2
    Originally posted by MattW
    I am wondering what you all think about the likelihood the Swans will have an All-Australian representative this year and who's the most likely/deserving candidate.

    I think, on balance, we won't. Mills is probably the most likely, but I think Heeney is the most deserving: 46 goals, 17 disposal pg, 7 score involvements pg and 4.5 tackles pg. Vying with Shai Bolton as the best all-round forward half player in the comp.
    I think Mills, Heeney, and maybe Papley will make the squad, but not sure any of them will make the final team.
    "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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    • gloveski
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2003
      • 1018

      #3
      Yeah it’s a tough one as we are such an even side . But Mills would be pretty stiff to miss out and Heeneys numbers stack up . Can’t recall a side finishing 3rd not having an All Australian. Definitely wouldn’t happen to a Melbourne based side


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      • i'm-uninformed2
        Reefer Madness
        • Oct 2003
        • 4653

        #4
        Mills deserves to be there, but probably won’t. Heeney should be. Paps second half of year was superb but half a year. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Chad and PMac make squad, but wont make the side.
        'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16786

          #5
          Originally posted by mcs
          I think Mills, Heeney, and maybe Papley will make the squad, but not sure any of them will make the final team.
          Papley's no chance of making the squad. He missed the first six weeks and then took a month or so to get into his stride. Even when he started contributing strongly to games, his goal kicking was off.

          I'll be surprised if Mills and Heeney don't both make the squad. Whether they make the final team is probably line ball. If the selectors looked at everything that good teams need midfielders to do, Mills should get in, but he doesn't have the possession count (however cheap many possessions are) to challenge some others.

          I think Heeney deserves to be in the team but there won't be many forward line spots available by the time they've put the entire Geelong forward line in there, and then two midfielders on flanks. The role he plays is pretty specialised, and while there is attention on his marking and sharking, most of the valuable stuff he does goes unnoticed by the mainstream commentators.

          I suspect one of the two will get in, just because they won't want a top four team to have no AAs. That said, Collingwood might be in the same boat. Like us, their evenness is a large part of their strength.

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          • mcs
            Travelling Swannie!!
            • Jul 2007
            • 8177

            #6
            Originally posted by liz
            Papley's no chance of making the squad. He missed the first six weeks and then took a month or so to get into his stride. Even when he started contributing strongly to games, his goal kicking was off.

            I'll be surprised if Mills and Heeney don't both make the squad. Whether they make the final team is probably line ball. If the selectors looked at everything that good teams need midfielders to do, Mills should get in, but he doesn't have the possession count (however cheap many possessions are) to challenge some others.

            I think Heeney deserves to be in the team but there won't be many forward line spots available by the time they've put the entire Geelong forward line in there, and then two midfielders on flanks. The role he plays is pretty specialised, and while there is attention on his marking and sharking, most of the valuable stuff he does goes unnoticed by the mainstream commentators.

            I suspect one of the two will get in, just because they won't want a top four team to have no AAs. That said, Collingwood might be in the same boat. Like us, their evenness is a large part of their strength.
            Between recency bias and the 'analysis' that some of the selectors bring to the table (cough cough Kane Cornes for example), I don't think Papley will be far away, even though as you say he probably won't make it.
            "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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            • liz
              Veteran
              Site Admin
              • Jan 2003
              • 16786

              #7
              Originally posted by mcs
              Between recency bias and the 'analysis' that some of the selectors bring to the table (cough cough Kane Cornes for example), I don't think Papley will be far away, even though as you say he probably won't make it.
              I think the "selectors in the media" suffer from extreme recency bias but the actual selectors have a bit more of a process. They meet three or four times during the year and assess how players have gone in each block.

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              • TheBloods
                Suspended by the MRP
                • Feb 2020
                • 2047

                #8
                Chad has been named in the AA squad . 3rd year , what a star

                Mills Heeney Paps too

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                • i'm-uninformed2
                  Reefer Madness
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 4653

                  #9
                  Mills, Chad, Paps and Heeney nominated for squad.

                  AA SQUAD REVEALED: Cats, Demons dominate as breakout Pie Nick Daicos snubbed
                  'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                  • AB Swannie
                    Senior Player
                    • Mar 2017
                    • 1579

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TheBloods
                    Chad has been named in the AA squad . 3rd year , what a star

                    Mills Heeney Paps too
                    I think Blakey & Paddy McCartin are a bit stiff too but I'm likely biased. I think Josh Kelly from GWS is very lucky to be named. I'd have Paddy over Callum Wilkie too.

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                    • TheBloods
                      Suspended by the MRP
                      • Feb 2020
                      • 2047

                      #11
                      Originally posted by AB Swannie
                      I think Blakey & Paddy McCartin are a bit stiff too but I'm likely biased. I think Josh Kelly from GWS is very lucky to be named. I'd have Paddy over Callum Wilkie too.
                      Wrong , there are a lot of good players in the league . Fantastic to have 4 in the squad but Chad is the only one who should make the final team .

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                      • TheBloods
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Feb 2020
                        • 2047

                        #12
                        How lucky are we Chad is ours

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                        • liz
                          Veteran
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 16786

                          #13
                          Clearly I need to eat my words re Papley. Very surprised.

                          I'm surprised, too, by the inclusions of Weitering (great first half of season, got injured and has been relatively mediocre since) and Josh Kelly (has the talent and maturity to drive the Giants on to being competitive in most matches, and has failed to deliver on that front).

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                          • mcs
                            Travelling Swannie!!
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 8177

                            #14
                            Originally posted by liz
                            I think the "selectors in the media" suffer from extreme recency bias but the actual selectors have a bit more of a process. They meet three or four times during the year and assess how players have gone in each block.
                            For one of the very few times I was right re Papley. Very rare day indeed haha [emoji23]

                            Great to see Warner make it too - despite the overzealous hyperbole that seems to dominate many threads on here, it is great to see him get such recognition at this time in his career.

                            Mills and Heeney by far the most likely to make the final squad, but suspect none will. Mills in particular for mine should make it, I think he has been a consistent standout, but faces very stiff competition to make it.

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                            "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                            • mcs
                              Travelling Swannie!!
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 8177

                              #15
                              Originally posted by liz
                              Clearly I need to eat my words re Papley. Very surprised.

                              I'm surprised, too, by the inclusions of Weitering (great first half of season, got injured and has been relatively mediocre since) and Josh Kelly (has the talent and maturity to drive the Giants on to being competitive in most matches, and has failed to deliver on that front).
                              Just take it Liz as a sign 2022 might be an outlier year! Your vastly superior footy knowledge wins out 99.95% of the time over my random ramblings, but I can be right once in a blue moon.

                              Just like our Swannies average a premiership once in the proverbial blue moon. Maybe 2022 is that year!

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                              "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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