All-Australian Swans?

[TheBloods]

For one of the very few times I was right re Papley. Very rare day indeed haha [emoji23]

Great to see Warner make it too - despite the overzealous hyperbole that seems to dominate many threads on here, it is great to see him get such recognition at this time in his career.

Mills and Heeney by far the most likely to make the final squad, but suspect none will. Mills in particular for mine should make it, I think he has been a consistent standout, but faces very stiff competition to make it.

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Overzealous hyperbole , please. Havent been wrong about Chad once and i wont be . He will be a Swans legend by his mid 20s, same way Goodsey was .

[dejavoodoo44]

Clearly I need to eat my words re Papley. Very surprised.

I'm surprised, too, by the inclusions of Weitering (great first half of season, got injured and has been relatively mediocre since) and Josh Kelly (has the talent and maturity to drive the Giants on to being competitive in most matches, and has failed to deliver on that front).

Yes, they're the two that possibly surprised me the most. Well, Taylor Walker as well. And I've never really noticed Wilkie from the Saints before?

[mcs]

Overzealous hyperbole , please. Havent been wrong about Chad once and i wont be . He will be a Swans legend by his mid 20s, same way Goodsey was .

Not every thread or game is solely about Chad.

The utter dismissal of efforts of almost anyone because 'CHHHHHAAAAADDDDDD' is absolutely overzealous. Seen pretty much weekly in the match related threads irrespective of performance levels and increasingly in other threads as well.

It is a team game after all. He is a great player in the making, but despite I'm sure your protestations, one player alone doesn't make a team and can't win a flag either.


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[AB Swannie]

Wrong , there are a lot of good players in the league . Fantastic to have 4 in the squad but Chad is the only one who should make the final team .

Wrong. Mills should make the team.

[gloveski]

Mills and Heeney I think will go close


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[i'm-uninformed2]

Suprised by Paps - as excellent as his second half of the year has been - and a bit surprised by P Mc missing the squad (not that I expected to make the final cut, but he has a claim over Weitering for consistency of performance over the year).

Of the other three:

* Chad is unlikely. His second half to the year, particuarly over our seven game run, has been just outstanding. His first half of the year was good to very good, and he built from there. That's not to knock him. It's a huge credit to him being recognised at this phase of his career, and if the footy gods are kind to him, he'll have a few AA guerneys before he's finished.
* Heeney plays a unique role brilliantly, and if they are honest, and don't stuff the half forward flanks with midfielders, he should be in. Bar a few games in the middle of the year, he's been consistently excellent.
* I've loved Mills' year and he should get a slot for his two-way football, but suspect he gets squeezed due to the plethora of higher profile mids. Ironically, I reckon his best shot is if Heeney gets pushed out because of what I raised above, they slot Pertracca and Rozee onto HFF roles, and Mills ends up with a slot on the bench.

[TheBloods]

Not every thread or game is solely about Chad.

The utter dismissal of efforts of almost anyone because 'CHHHHHAAAAADDDDDD' is absolutely overzealous. Seen pretty much weekly in the match related threads irrespective of performance levels and increasingly in other threads as well.

It is a team game after all. He is a great player in the making, but despite I'm sure your protestations, one player alone doesn't make a team and can't win a flag either.


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Never said he was the only one but he is the difference . Look at Dusty , Petracca these sorts , you need them to win a flag . Most teams dont have one . We do. Without him we are back on level ground with most of them . If he wasnt young and had been a bit more consistent we would be streets ahead in 1st on the ladder . What he has done for this team is remarkable and you shouldnt be so quick to undersell it just because you dont like me . Forget about me and focus on the facts , that this kid has driven us up the ladder to a top 4 spot . He has had help no doubt but hes been in the drivers seat . What other 21 yr old can claim that ?

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Suprised by Paps - as excellent as his second half of the year has been - and a bit surprised by P Mc missing the squad (not that I expected to make the final cut, but he has a claim over Weitering for consistency of performance over the year).

Of the other three:

* Chad is unlikely. His second half to the year, particuarly over our seven game run, has been just outstanding. His first half of the year was good to very good, and he built from there. That's not to knock him. It's a huge credit to him being recognised at this phase of his career, and if the footy gods are kind to him, he'll have a few AA guerneys before he's finished.
* Heeney plays a unique role brilliantly, and if they are honest, and don't stuff the half forward flanks with midfielders, he should be in. Bar a few games in the middle of the year, he's been consistently excellent.
* I've loved Mills' year and he should get a slot for his two-way football, but suspect he gets squeezed due to the plethora of higher profile mids. Ironically, I reckon his best shot is if Heeney gets pushed out because of what I raised above, they slot Pertracca and Rozee onto HFF roles, and Mills ends up with a slot on the bench.

Next yr will be our boys turn

[mcs]

Never said he was the only one but he is the difference . Look at Dusty , Petracca these sorts , you need them to win a flag . Most teams dont have one . We do. Without him we are back on level ground with most of them . If he wasnt young and had been a bit more consistent we would be streets ahead in 1st on the ladder . What he has done for this team is remarkable and you shouldnt be so quick to undersell it just because you dont like me . Forget about me and focus on the facts , that this kid has driven us up the ladder to a top 4 spot . He has had help no doubt but hes been in the drivers seat . What other 21 yr old can claim that ?

What facts would they be TB? That is all pure subjective opinion. Show me the facts then that demonstrate solely Warner has 'driven us up the ladder ' or that we'd have done no good if he wasn't there? You are welcome to your subjective opinions, but drop the bull@@@@ that there are any substantial facts out there to prove it as an objective truth.

And where have I undesold anything. I am simply asking for some recognition that there are 21 other blokes out there and they are playing a team game.

Your current obsession is increasingly as nauseating as your previous character assassination campaign.

[liz]

Yes, they're the two that possibly surprised me the most. Well, Taylor Walker as well. And I've never really noticed Wilkie from the Saints before?

I'm not surprised by Walker's inclusion. I've not watched that much of the Crows this year, but every time I have seen them, he's been dominant. I reckon it was probably a toss up between he and Peter Wright for a final tall forward spot in the team. Wright has been pretty good considering most of Essendon's season.

Wilkie has been pretty consistent as that kind of anonymous "third" defender who is actually pretty good at defending (something the AA selectors often don't seen to care much about). Though describing him as a "third defender" might be unfair when he just played a reasonable game on Buddy (if we conveniently overlook the constant holding that was mostly ignored by the umpires).

[TheBloods]

What facts would they be TB? That is all pure subjective opinion. Show me the facts then that demonstrate solely Warner has 'driven us up the ladder ' or that we'd have done no good if he wasn't there? You are welcome to your subjective opinions, but drop the bull@@@@ that there are any substantial facts out there to prove it as an objective truth.

And where have I undesold anything. I am simply asking for some recognition that there are 21 other blokes out there and they are playing a team game.

Your current obsession is increasingly as nauseating as your previous character assassination campaign.

Did i say there werent 21 others !

Apologise for saying facts then , how is this . Do you think Richmond win 3 flags without Dusty ? There is the team but you need elite talents . We have elite players . Mills is elite . He is a fantastic two way mid , i have never bagged him and never will , had captain material from day 1 . Parker has been elite over the years . Rampe was elite for his position many years . But they are not elite TALENTS . They cant do what Chad can do and very few can and these players are the ones that separate the premiers from the rest of the contenders . That is my point . I am not ignoring what others have done , im praising what Chad has done to give us the edge . Is that fair to you ,

And by the way Chad isnt the only one . I have said on repeat now that Jmac. Errol and Blakey will be of a similar level . They just arent there yet , no dramas

[joeykanga]

What facts would they be TB? That is all pure subjective opinion. Show me the facts then that demonstrate solely Warner has 'driven us up the ladder ' or that we'd have done no good if he wasn't there? You are welcome to your subjective opinions, but drop the bull@@@@ that there are any substantial facts out there to prove it as an objective truth.

And where have I undesold anything. I am simply asking for some recognition that there are 21 other blokes out there and they are playing a team game.

Your current obsession is increasingly as nauseating as your previous character assassination campaign.

The thing that really annoys me about his obsession with The Chad is that we clearly had a player constantly undermined that was simply better on the weekend for us than the Chad was and even though it's no longer mentioned it grates...because of its glaring omission.

[jono2707]

Excellent that we've had 4 players nominated. I think Mills and Papley deserve it, but maybe Paps has missed too many games, so maybe it'll just be Mills. Regardless, all 4 nominations are well deserved, and it's good news that we should all celebrate (and try to ignore yet another thread hijacking).

[mcs]

Did i say there werent 21 others !

Apologise for saying facts then , how is this . Do you think Richmond win 3 flags without Dusty ? There is the team but you need elite talents . We have elite players . Mills is elite . He is a fantastic two way mid , i have never bagged him and never will , had captain material from day 1 . Parker has been elite over the years . Rampe was elite for his position many years . But they are not elite TALENTS . They cant do what Chad can do and very few can and these players are the ones that separate the premiers from the rest of the contenders . That is my point . I am not ignoring what others have done , im praising what Chad has done to give us the edge . Is that fair to you ,

And by the way Chad isnt the only one . I have said on repeat now that Jmac. Errol and Blakey will be of a similar level . They just arent there yet , no dramas

I have no idea if Richmond win 3 flags or not. I don't have a time machine to eliminate him from the equation and player counter history.

If I did have a time machine I'd have a lot of other better uses for it than finding that out.

Maybe they don't. But maybe they do.

After all, the hawks won 3 flags straight after losing an all time great to a rival after the first one didn't they?

I don't disagree you need elite players to be right up there. Of course you do. And maybe in some grand finals they do truly make the difference between a win and a loss.

But equally, one could mount a strong case to say that in close grand finals (hard to judge in blowouts) just as often it is actually those at the bottom end of the team that make the difference on the day.

I'd argue in 2005 and 2012 we had significantly less elite talent than our opponents. But we had the better team on the day, and in particular for 2012 the vastly better performances from the often quoted 'bottom six' and many of the lesser lights that were important cogs in the team.

There were of course moments of magic from the best - there always is. But equally there were unsung heroes, far from elite on any objective measure, but able to have elite moments when it counts most.

Looks through the history of grand finals and you'll see plenty of other examples of that too.

Anyway back on topic. Well done to all 4 our of nominees. All 4 have been judged as deserving to make the squad and deserve praise for doing so. And if any make it, they will deserve to be there, despite claims to the contrary.

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[i'm-uninformed2]

Blakey, Chad and Tom Mc named in the AFLPA 22 under 22 side.

Three Swans named in 22Under22

[TheBloods]

Blakey, Chad and Tom Mc named in the AFLPA 22 under 22 side.

Three Swans named in 22Under22

No Errol ? Are they mad !