Round 7 v Giants at the SCG, 2.10pm Saturday 29 April (pre-game thread)

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  • The Big Cat
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    • Apr 2006
    • 2360

    #76
    Originally posted by wolftone57
    Our 2006 & 2012 Premiership teams had less talent than this group but th?y had far more guts

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    We didn't win the premiership in 2006, we lost the GF. Credibility in tatters,I'm afraid.
    Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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    • giant
      Veterans List
      • Mar 2005
      • 4731

      #77
      How exciting to have the Bud back!

      One of the reasons I fell in love with the Swans was the opportunity to see the greatest goal kicker in history ply his craft every other week at the height of his talents.

      I feel the same way about being able to see Buddy do his magic on a regular basis - if this is the end (and surely it is), I intend to savour every moment (even if they're less regular) of Buddy brilliance.

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      • Blood Fever
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        • Apr 2007
        • 4051

        #78
        Originally posted by wolftone57
        I agree about Harry. Ioved Harry's story. Rejected by GWS, coached by Paul Kelly, came from Wagga. He is another Rookie made good. I respect that. But time is up. He gets a game but shouldn't. But then again he wasn't our worst last week.

        We have some problems that are not related to our lack of talls. Our midfield have been smashed in two games this season. Each time there have been excuses made but the time for excuses has past. It's fess up or eff off.

        The coaching should definitely be in the spotlight. There are some definite coaching problems. Midfield rotations, midfield positioning and set ups. Forward entries. Team defensive strategies. All very sis that is why two sides this season have been able to accumulate huge scores against us.

        Last week we went in with that small backline and they were on a hiding to nothing. But we were smashed in the mids. Killed on the outside, which is where we should have been able to break even. But we didn't. The personnel we played against Cats? set the alarm bells off for me as soon as the line up was announced. Same players in the midfield that was smashed in the GF. That small backline. A makeshift forward structure.

        Then the match started. We were never in it. Smashed in every position on the field and the coaches did not give the players a chance in hell from selection to strategy, which was no different to the GF. But the players did not respond either. They just gave in immediately. There was no fight.

        I am not sure these players have the psychological capability to win a premiership. I think they are soft. I think they give up far too easily. NEVER has a Swans team been smashed like this mob since our revival in the 1990's. NEVER has a side capitulated so easily. 2014 aside.

        We have been known for being scrappers. Our 2006 & 2012 Premiership teams had less talent than this group but th?y had far more guts

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        Yeah. Let's get rid of Warner, Gulden, Rowbottom, Stephens etc. All over the hill and no growth left in them.

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        • Kafka's Ghost
          Regular in the Side
          • Sep 2017
          • 911

          #79
          Originally posted by wolftone57
          I agree about Harry. Ioved Harry's story. Rejected by GWS, coached by Paul Kelly, came from Wagga. He is another Rookie made good. I respect that. But time is up. He gets a game but shouldn't. But then again he wasn't our worst last week.

          We have some problems that are not related to our lack of talls. Our midfield have been smashed in two games this season. Each time there have been excuses made but the time for excuses has past. It's fess up or eff off.

          The coaching should definitely be in the spotlight. There are some definite coaching problems. Midfield rotations, midfield positioning and set ups. Forward entries. Team defensive strategies. All very sis that is why two sides this season have been able to accumulate huge scores against us.

          Last week we went in with that small backline and they were on a hiding to nothing. But we were smashed in the mids. Killed on the outside, which is where we should have been able to break even. But we didn't. The personnel we played against Cats? set the alarm bells off for me as soon as the line up was announced. Same players in the midfield that was smashed in the GF. That small backline. A makeshift forward structure.

          Then the match started. We were never in it. Smashed in every position on the field and the coaches did not give the players a chance in hell from selection to strategy, which was no different to the GF. But the players did not respond either. They just gave in immediately. There was no fight.

          I am not sure these players have the psychological capability to win a premiership. I think they are soft. I think they give up far too easily. NEVER has a Swans team been smashed like this mob since our revival in the 1990's. NEVER has a side capitulated so easily. 2014 aside.

          We have been known for being scrappers. Our 2006 & 2012 Premiership teams had less talent than this group but th?y had far more guts

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          You obviously weren’t at the game against the Saints when we lost by 100+ points.
          Or possibly a worse loss; 30+ points up against the Cats into the last quarter and bottled it.
          It’s sport, they’re one of the youngest groups in the competition. Things happen, good and bad. With a young squad both those aspects are more pronounced. So long as the squad learns from such losses, it’s not all doom and gloom.


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          • wolftone57
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            • Aug 2008
            • 5861

            #80
            If we do not bring some mongrel GWS will win today. We need to scrap. Need that desire. I live a few players on our list because they always give 100%. Fox, Mills, Ollie, Errol, Lloyd and I think when Chad learns how to get rid of the tag he is a really scrapper too.

            But too many just lay down. Jussy and Stephens were terrible last week. They gave no outside run at all. Now we know Ladhams aggression can be misdirected but when we need directed aggression he goes missing. C'mon Pete if you can assault a player who is on the ground or attack a player who is prone surely you can stand up throw your weight around against the big guys too? Can't you?

            I think there needs to be a rethink. Coaching, players and attitude. Everyone's a star but nobody's a winner

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            • wolftone57
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              • Aug 2008
              • 5861

              #81
              Originally posted by The Big Cat
              We didn't win the premiership in 2006, we lost the GF. Credibility in tatters,I'm afraid.
              Sorry 2005

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              • wolftone57
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                • Aug 2008
                • 5861

                #82
                Originally posted by Blood Fever
                Yeah. Let's get rid of Warner, Gulden, Rowbottom, Stephens etc. All over the hill and no growth left in them.
                Nobody said get rid of anyone. I am talking attitude and if you bother reading the text you will see I praise Gulden as being one of the players I trust. Same with Warner. I think I accidentally left Rowbottom out of that list. I believe in that kid. But I think our players need to nieve in themselves. Our players are far too nice. They need a bit of mongrel on the field.

                There have been many players who had attitude on the field but we're the nicest guys off the field. We are soft. That is a fact.

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                • Blood Fever
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                  • Apr 2007
                  • 4051

                  #83
                  No soft team makes the GF. You turn on players too quickly.

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                  • Kafka's Ghost
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Sep 2017
                    • 911

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Blood Fever
                    No soft team makes the GF. You turn on players too quickly.
                    100%.
                    We have many, structurally important injuries and players out of form. Likely some playing sore, too, eg Heeney.
                    Yes, it was a bad loss. No, they’re not soft.


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                    • Kafka's Ghost
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Sep 2017
                      • 911

                      #85
                      Marc Sheather named as sub. He’s a pretty tough and competitive young bloke. Great to see him get a run!


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                      • crackedactor 01
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Jun 2020
                        • 760

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Blood Fever
                        No soft team makes the GF. You turn on players too quickly.
                        Obviously the betting agencies don't think we are soft. Even after our poor effort last week they are only offering $1.28 for a Swans win.

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                        • BRS328
                          Warming the Bench
                          • Feb 2018
                          • 370

                          #87
                          I agree with this quote.

                          No soft team has ever made a grand final. You need a number of things going for you including team stability, good luck with injuries, and above all leadership from experienced players. The Swans last year virtually went the last half of the season to the preliminary final no injuries, particularly to the experienced players.

                          The young players dropped their heads last week, and this is the first time I have seen it from this group. Hopefully they will learn from this

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                          • stevoswan
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                            • Sep 2014
                            • 8573

                            #88
                            Originally posted by wolftone57
                            I agree about Harry. Ioved Harry's story. Rejected by GWS, coached by Paul Kelly, came from Wagga. He is another Rookie made good. I respect that. But time is up. He gets a game but shouldn't. But then again he wasn't our worst last week.
                            Harry's an unfortunate one, he was bloody great last season before he got injured but hasn't been the same since. It's a bummer, maybe on his last chance today. Playing against his old team, he'll probably have a blinder. Let's hope so.

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                            • stevoswan
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                              • Sep 2014
                              • 8573

                              #89
                              Originally posted by wolftone57

                              Our 2006 & 2012 Premiership teams had less talent than this group but they had far more guts.
                              I do not agree with this comment at all. Those teams had talent to burn, as history proved.....and FAR MORE experience that the current team. This group will grow.....as long as they don't get too many scars along the way.

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