Rd 9 vs Fremantle @SCG - Match Thread

[The Big Cat]

Yep, the days of paying rucks in tandem is over - ppffft

When I started watching footy you had four ruckman with two on the ball at any one time. They swapped with the blokes in the forward and back pockets.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

WOW BigCat you must be incredibly old.

[The Big Cat]

WOW BigCat you must be incredibly old.

Yep, I am. Then Neil Busse became the first specialist back pocket for Richmond (and later South) who looked after the ruckman resting in the forward pocket but never went on the ball himself. Later Barassi (under Norm Smith) invented the role of a ruck-rover who replaced the second ruckman (follower) on the ball. You have to remember in those times there was no such thing as interchange. Once you were taken off you were off for good! So it meant ruckman and rovers rested in the pockets. BRING IT BACK !!!!

[GoRhino]

Faces of the Team

I found this loss to be the most disappointing of the recent losses. Maybe because it was the fourth in a row, but I think also because it's starting to show on the faces of the team. There was a period of the game when many of them looked resigned to it and checked out somewhat. I think the SCG crowd are starting to feel it too. Numbers down a little, less noise, paying less attention.

Positives: I love watching Gulden, he seems to be everywhere, covers a huge amount of ground. Good to see Hickey back, Parker ever-reliable and the first game where I thought Francis played a role, in defence. McDonald was looking very good before he went off. And you know, I didn't mind getting a look at Freo, we don't see them often over here and they have some talent.

So many injuries now, and it's obvious a few are playing hobbled. It's not going to be our year, but keep looking for those positives I guess!

I had cause to be in the Foyer of the Royal Hall of Industries yesterday at around 11am. It was my first visit to the new training facility and I was having a look around. Players started to enter the building and walk to the opposite end to where I was standing. I spotted a number of the "ones" some alone, some in small groups. Callum Mills was clearly limping and had his calf in a tight bandage. He had the longest face! We often get a smile from players as they pass but not yesterday, they looked grim. Paps included. Hopefully, just a reflection of the up-coming tough review by the Coaching staff of their performance on Saturday against Freo and no deeper damage.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Yep, I am. Then Neil Busse became the first specialist back pocket for Richmond (and later South) who looked after the ruckman resting in the forward pocket but never went on the ball himself. Later Barassi (under Norm Smith) invented the role of a ruck-rover who replaced the second ruckman (follower) on the ball. You have to remember in those times there was no such thing as interchange. Once you were taken off you were off for good! So it meant ruckman and rovers rested in the pockets. BRING IT BACK !!!!

BIG respect at your longevity. Other than my dad and uncles I've never conversed with anyone that actually sore a pair of "folllowers" in action (Fleeter and Cazaly).
I am a big Swans history fan, and am utterly delighted to make your acquaintance.

[Blood Fever]

Yep, I am. Then Neil Busse became the first specialist back pocket for Richmond (and later South) who looked after the ruckman resting in the forward pocket but never went on the ball himself. Later Barassi (under Norm Smith) invented the role of a ruck-rover who replaced the second ruckman (follower) on the ball. You have to remember in those times there was no such thing as interchange. Once you were taken off you were off for good! So it meant ruckman and rovers rested in the pockets. BRING IT BACK !!!!

Yes. There were first and second ruckmen and first and second rovers. Skilton and Brian McGowan were a great pair. Wore Mcgowan's number 3 of my south jumper as a young kid

[wolftone57]

When I started watching footy you had four ruckman with two on the ball at any one time. They swapped with the blokes in the forward and back pockets.

Don't you mean there was a Ruckman and a ruck rover? I have never seen 4 rucks, big lumbering Galloping Gasometers. Graeme Cornes, Alex Jesulenko (went TO CHB THEN CHF later), Trevor Barker, Neil Kerley (even though he played ruck when a player went down) were ruck-rovers/followers. But none were specialist rucks. I think you are confusing specialist rucks like Deitrich, Farmer, Carey, Moore, Round, Teasdale, Moss and Dempsey with the Follower.

But we always had two specialist rucks, one of whom was better than the other. That meant the second ruck had to learn how to kick a goal.

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[The Big Cat]

Don't you mean there was a Ruckman and a ruck rover? I have never seen 4 rucks, big lumbering Galloping Gasometers. Graeme Cornes, Alex Jesulenko (went TO CHB THEN CHF later), Trevor Barker, Neil Kerley (even though he played ruck when a player went down) were ruck-rovers/followers. But none were specialist rucks. I think you are confusing specialist rucks like Deitrich, Farmer, Carey, Moore, Round, Teasdale, Moss and Dempsey with the Follower.

But we always had two specialist rucks, one of whom was better than the other. That meant the second ruck had to learn how to kick a goal.

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This was prior to ruck rovers when I was a little kid (I’m in my seventies now). Two “followers” on ball with two others resting in the pockets. Neil Busse was revolutionary in that he was the first permanent back pocket (didn’t ruck) but just picked up the resting forward pocket ruckman.
BTW Neil Busse was head prefect at Benalla High when I was in form 1 so was every boy’s hero when he played in the Ovens and Murray seniors in fifth form.