Elimination Final: Blues v Swans Match Thread MCG

[waswan]

Harry McKay missed 2 of the easiest shots imaginable.

Exactly

[dejavoodoo44]

Harry McKay missed 2 of the easiest shots imaginable.

If we had managed to win last night, I'm sure that the fury directed towards McKay by Carlton fans would have been totally unhinged.

[dejavoodoo44]

I'm surprised by the harsh commentary on Amartey. He had a shocker but clearly shouldn't have played. If you go back to the game where his hamstring went and the one before it I think, he was playing the best footy of his career. He was getting down to ground balls and tackling and taking marks around the ground and kicking goals. I have never had an hamstring injury but if you have had a string of them mentally it must take time to trust your body again. We have watched Reid struggle and play like a stick man when he comes back from injury. Looking ahead it will be a shame if this becomes an ongoing problem for him.

Melican is our other big man who has had to face so much time out that we have not yet seen just how good he could be. I hope both of them can get past these issues and become key players for us, but we so need them to now!!!

I've been pleasantly surprised by the late resurgence of Melican. When he limped off a month or so ago, I was ready to write off his career, but now I think he's definitely worth a new contract.

Also confident that Amartey will form an important part of our key forward rotation, with McDonald, McLean and Buller. Although it might take some dedicated off-season work, from both him and our fitness staff.

[Kafka's Ghost]

Assume you weren’t at the game? Watching him before the ball got there, where he positioned himself and his efforts once it hit the ground showed that he had a shocker. Almost to the point of being embarrassing.

I wasn’t specifically talking about this game, just that he’s inexperienced and essentially underdone after an interrupted season.


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[Mel_C]

If we had managed to win last night, I'm sure that the fury directed towards McKay by Carlton fans would have been totally unhinged.

The supporters around me were going off at him after the easy miss. It's rare to see abuse like that directed at their own player.

[dejavoodoo44]

The supporters around me were going off at him after the easy miss. It's rare to see abuse like that directed at their own player.

Yes, the main reason why I posted that, was that I read their Bigfooty thread, after we beat them earlier in the season and they looked like missing the finals. Quite a few of them thought that McKay was a virus that was infecting the rest of the team. I kid you not.

And of course, many of those posting at that time, would have sacked Voss, most of the club management and around half of the playing list. Utterly unhinged.

[Matty10]

Im not denying the process is flawed but the ump made a call for a point and the camera was that poor it couldnt be overturned. Id say the rate of those being overturned all year is less than 5%.

That’s not how it played out. I agree, the vision was poor, but the officiator doing the goal review stated the ball was touched and that was the reason it was a point. It was not decided by the umpire’s call, in this instance, even though the decision matched the goal umpire’s view. Had the umpire said it was a goal, in theory, the same conclusion would have been reached and a behind awarded.

Supposedly, that vision was clear enough to make a definitive call. I didn’t see any evidence that it was touched. The officiator saw otherwise. I don’t know how.

[BRS328]

I assume you are talking about yourself

[waswan]

That’s not how it played out. I agree, the vision was poor, but the officiator doing the goal review stated the ball was touched and that was the reason it was a point. It was not decided by the umpire’s call, in this instance, even though the decision matched the goal umpire’s view. Had the umpire said it was a goal, in theory, the same conclusion would have been reached and a behind awarded.

Supposedly, that vision was clear enough to make a definitive call. I didn’t see any evidence that it was touched. The officiator saw otherwise. I don’t know how.

Basically im saying they dont overturn goal umps call often.

The ARC backing him in is probably a result of our game in Adelaide, how they can definitely say it was touched from that footage is beyond me.

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I believe it was touched based on the ump being a metre from it making a call..... The only reason you would question the ump in that position is due again to our game in Adelaide

[Nico]

Bit harsh, Barry. Agreed he needs to improve heaps, especially his tank and overall fitness. But he has the ability and hence potential so let’s see if he has the desire and the right mentality. Too soon to write him off! An intense preseason would be helpful.

He's been at the club for 6 years. Yes, big men take more time to develop, but how long does he need. When the ball hits the ground he's not much chop.

[Nico]

One or two new seasoned players would help that impetus and the young core group.

But where do you find them? We don't want fringe players. I still think we have to go to the draft each year to refresh the list.

[Nico]

Harry McKay missed 2 of the easiest shots imaginable.

Over paid and over rated.

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Yes, the main reason why I posted that, was that I read their Bigfooty thread, after we beat them earlier in the season and they looked like missing the finals. Quite a few of them thought that McKay was a virus that was infecting the rest of the team. I kid you not.

And of course, many of those posting at that time, would have sacked Voss, most of the club management and around half of the playing list. Utterly unhinged.

They have certainly played better without him in recent months.

[Thunder Shaker]

We are the last team to complain about score review but the process worked tonight, not enough evidence to overturn the soft call.

The process itself is flawed with poor tech but that is the current process

So upgrade the tech. The AFL seems to be using outdated technology from the 1990s. 25 frames per second with massive amounts of motion blur doesn't cut it.

Did he touch it? Images of a blurred yellow smudge that could be a ball. Not enough evidence. What rubbish.

The matter could be referred to the rules committee, to change some rules that are hard to adjudicate.

Some examples of rules that could be changed:

1. If the ball hits the post, it's only ruled a behind if the ball bounces back into the field of play. Otherwise the score that is recorded counts as whatever side of the post the ball passes. This wouldn't change the outcome 75% of the time. No more flicking the padding nonsense.
2. Insufficient intent. Really? Some changes needed here. Rules should be adjudicated based on facts, not opinion. A possible change: last possession and the ball goes out of bounds, opposition gains possession, but the ball has to be brought back into play with a handpass, not a kick, and the player handpassing the ball into play has to do so from outside the field of play. This is also the case if a player knocks the ball out of bounds and an opponent is not within 2 metres of the player. I would rather have this than the factless farce of "insufficient intent".
3. Players touching the ball to nullify a goal have to do so from the goal square. Make the goal square wider, 1890s style. Why? Goal umpires have to see the ball being touched. How can they see a ball being touched from 30 metres away?

[Velour&Ruffles]

I thought Carlton dictated the shape of the game in the second quarter but only in the second quarter. That's when they really got on top around the contests.

Apart from that I think we matched them in the midfield but our delivery forward left a bit to be desired. Their defence held up well against our movement into the 50. Even then, we missed so many gettable shots and had two good strikes (maybe) just touched on the line. Carlton weren't perfect in their conversion (cough cough, McKay) but we missed more gettable shots.

We didn't win, but we played well enough that we certainly could have won. And had we done so, I wouldn't have felt we fluked it against a better team.

Perfect analysis.

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For me shape is when you are in defence, in attack and at the contest.

The transitions by Carlton were next level and really caught our corridor defensive shape hopping.

Contested ball we dropped away by 20 in the last qtr which is an amazing gap between two teams in a final……..20 !!!!! ……. Considering Carlton played generally plus one in the last qtr that is an incredible effort by Carlton but a real concern for us. Carlton shaped us to areas where they dominated the contest. They did this exceptionally well in the last qtr where a team behind throws everything at u including an extra man around the contest and the differential at the contest was negative 20.

I think it is too easy to say we didn’t kick straight because Carlton made it happen under pressure and we didn’t. That’s high performance at its best or worst ie performing under pressure and nailing it or failing it. If every team was judged by their chances vs goals made it would be a different game of football.

I do love that that the scoreboard looks close at the buzzer and that we did really run out the game and kept within a whisker points wise……but tactically it just worries me that we can’t be the midfield team that is hunter and tagged????

We had to pull Heeney from his critical marks and leads and get him to tag. If required for long periods of a game that we tag that sort tells me the acid vs base ratio……..bit of a litmus test that we were hunting and tagging not the hunted in the midfield.

Not much more exciting then seeing your mids dominate, apply extremes pressie and provide a banquet for your forwards which Carlton definitely did first half and enough in the 3rd qtr to keep a buffer and a distance so the opposition has to play catch up and push forward in numbers.

Yet still we were negative 20 last qtr at the contest.

I’m just having a rant but equally I am genuinely concerned what i have watched the last few weeks vs Melbourne, Adelaide and Carlton.

I really do feel we need to inject some maturity and ability into a few key areas.

John was asked whether we have improved on last year post game…….gee he stumbled in response and was evasive.

Are you aware we lost by 6 points, not 60 points?

[Velour&Ruffles]

What but they didn't feel it necessary to mention that Martin smacked Blakey in the mouth with a clenched fist in what could only be described as an act of thuggery?

That effwit Mark McClure, looking through his blue spectacles, said on 1116 today that Martin had merely "slapped" Blakey. How these dickheads get a job on air is beyond belief. Even the rather questionable Luke Hodge felt compelled to correct him.