Elimination Final: Blues v Swans Match Thread MCG

[Velour&Ruffles]

Im not denying the process is flawed but the ump made a call for a point and the camera was that poor it couldnt be overturned. Id say the rate of those being overturned all year is less than 5%.

Quite factually, we played finals due to a goal ump error in our favour, just taking the good with the bad or poor

Sorry, I try not to abuse fellow posters, but in a season where we play 23 games, across approximately 46 hours of actual play time, are you seriously saying THAT ONE DECISION was why we played finals? What a pathetically shallow analysis. Even if you accept the (patently ridiculous) presumption that that was (apparently) the only game that meant anything during the entire season, what about all Adelaide's missed shots in that match (particularly in the last quarter)? How about all the imperfect decisions (in both directions) in rounds 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 and 24? This idea that everything came down to one decision in one round is abject, embarrassing stupidity. You are worthy of a place in the Melbourne football media (and there are few insults to someone's intelligence I can think of more pointed than that).

[Blood Fever]

Great post. Hard not to abuse at times.

[Mel_C]

Jack Martin has been suspended for 2 weeks.

[MattW]

That effwit Mark McClure, looking through his blue spectacles, said on 1116 today that Martin had merely "slapped" Blakey. How these dickheads get a job on air is beyond belief. Even the rather questionable Luke Hodge felt compelled to correct him.

Hodge is ok, I reckon. Generally fair and straight.

[Auntie.Gerald]

We lost the game, but in the end we should have won. Our opportunities to win were greater than theirs - and for much of the match - we just couldn’t convert.

Carlton were not in control or dictating terms. That is not a true reflection of the contest last night. 23 scores to 19 says a fair bit, as does Parker’s comment after the game that we ‘had them on the ropes’.

V&R
Maybe this is MAYBE where you and I see sport completely differently?

When Jack Cartwright, Kyle Chalmers, Shayna Jack and Mollie O'Callaghan win by a milli second and lead all the way to the finish line is that controlling the event? Yes but by a thin margin. But yes complete control.

Let them chase me because I am lining out the elite path to victory…….in front……as champions do.

When Australia loose by a goal but we’re never in front in a game of soccer …….who is controlling the game?

But it’s only a goal? Could have gone either way? Just a goal !

Not really really as the champion team dominated early to get the lead and then many options to suppress the opposition surges.

Sprinting? 0.10 of a second is kms !!!!

6pts lead in an AFL game for me with minutes to go is also kms.

Mate I would buy an arm and a leg to be in front and lead all the way in just about any sport and especially AFL. Only 20% of teams loosing at the end of 3qtr time win in AFL. 1 in 5 chance…..that is a killer every time but once over 5 games.

That is one of the most frightening statistics and talks to the priceless advantage to lead each qtr where ever possible and especially going into the 4th in AFL. And especially as a smooth transition team like the Swans that will keep coming at u.

That is about as bad as it gets stat wise……..there is not a team in AFL that would want to be losing at every qtr and especially at the end of the 3qtr. 1 pt or 10pts behind it doesn’t matter.

Maybe you and I saw different shape in the last qtr but all I saw was Carlton rolling back with plus one last qtr backing their defence despite giving the contest to the Swans upfield……making it a very very slim chance that the Swans would get up. Blocking and pressuring the path to goal for the swans via shear weight of numbers under the bomb.

This gives the false illusion that we are fighting till the end…….which we are in run……but with very little influence to the result.

6 points or 36 points it doesn’t matter really in a final. All that matters is who is in front as time ticks away.

Win the last round in a boxing match by knock out…….who cares about the opposition trying hard prior and giving their best?

Finals footy is so much about an early lead and then suffocating the opposition into false hope and a desperate submission.

Job accomplished !

On one hand I saw a competitive spirit by the swans and on the other hand I saw Carlton craft a win by getting the early lead and forcing the Swans to play catch up every qtr.

to me that is controlling a game. It’s a minimal gap but it is controlling your destiny and giving yourself latitude and flexibility to iron out the win……equally minimising the options for the opposition trailing behind

leading every single qtr and winning the last is the name of the game in finals.

[stevoswan]

Jack Martin has been suspended for 2 weeks.

Just saw that....had to be 2 weeks. Glad!

[stevoswan]

V&R
Maybe this is MAYBE where you and I see sport completely differently?

When Jack Cartwright, Kyle Chalmers, Shayna Jack and Mollie O'Callaghan win by a milli second and lead all the way to the finish line is that controlling the event? Yes but by a thin margin. But yes complete control.

Let them chase me because I am lining out the elite path to victory…….in front……as champions do.

When Australia loose by a goal but we’re never in front in a game of soccer …….who is controlling the game?

But it’s only a goal? Could have gone either way? Just a goal !

Not really really as the champion team dominated early to get the lead and then many options to suppress the opposition surges.

Sprinting? 0.10 of a second is kms !!!!

6pts lead in an AFL game for me with minutes to go is also kms.

Mate I would buy an arm and a leg to be in front and lead all the way in just about any sport and especially AFL. Only 20% of teams loosing at the end of 3qtr time win in AFL. 1 in 5 chance…..that is a killer every time but once over 5 games.

That is one of the most frightening statistics and talks to the priceless advantage to lead each qtr where ever possible and especially going into the 4th in AFL. And especially as a smooth transition team like the Swans that will keep coming at u.

That is about as bad as it gets stat wise……..there is not a team in AFL that would want to be losing at every qtr and especially at the end of the 3qtr. 1 pt or 10pts behind it doesn’t matter.

Maybe you and I saw different shape in the last qtr but all I saw was Carlton rolling back with plus one last qtr backing their defence despite giving the contest to the Swans upfield……making it a very very slim chance that the Swans would get up. Blocking and pressuring the path to goal for the swans via shear weight of numbers under the bomb.

This gives the false illusion that we are fighting till the end…….which we are in run……but with very little influence to the result.

6 points or 36 points it doesn’t matter really in a final. All that matters is who is in front as time ticks away.

Win the last round in a boxing match by knock out…….who cares about the opposition trying hard prior and giving their best?

Finals footy is so much about an early lead and then suffocating the opposition into false hope and a desperate submission.

Job accomplished !

On one hand I saw a competitive spirit by the swans and on the other hand I saw Carlton craft a win by getting the early lead and forcing the Swans to play catch up every qtr.

to me that is controlling a game. It’s a minimal gap but it is controlling your destiny and giving yourself latitude and flexibility to iron out the win……equally minimising the options for the opposition trailing behind

leading every single qtr and winning the last is the name of the game in finals.

That is an essay to basically say 'we should have started better'.....and I agree with those 5 words.

[Captain]

I wasn’t specifically talking about this game, just that he’s inexperienced and essentially underdone after an interrupted season.


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Get where you are coming from but still think that’s being too kind. It was his effort that was lacking, that was the disappointing thing.

I like Amartey and unlike some other posters don’t want to trade him. But he needs to get himself fit, roll up his sleeves and put some effort in. He also needs to get better at set shots.

[Blood Fever]

That is an essay to basically say 'we should have started better'.....and I agree with those 5 words.

Saves the headache

[waswan]

Sorry, I try not to abuse fellow posters, but in a season where we play 23 games, across approximately 46 hours of actual play time, are you seriously saying THAT ONE DECISION was why we played finals? What a pathetically shallow analysis. Even if you accept the (patently ridiculous) presumption that that was (apparently) the only game that meant anything during the entire season, what about all Adelaide's missed shots in that match (particularly in the last quarter)? How about all the imperfect decisions (in both directions) in rounds 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 and 24? This idea that everything came down to one decision in one round is abject, embarrassing stupidity. You are worthy of a place in the Melbourne football media (and there are few insults to someone's intelligence I can think of more pointed than that).

Totally agree across a full season and even 4qtrs alot of things go into an end result, not denying that and we had heaps go against us.

But.... if that Adelaide kick was reviewed it would have been a goal and we wouldnt have played finals

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The same arguement works when we talk about Carlton touching the footy last night and that costing us the game and thats my point.

Alot if things happen as to why we lost it last night and i wont solely blame it on the score review

[Matty10]

Saves the headache

At halftime I said to my son that the one blessing of the outcome so far is that it changes the narrative of our typical performances this year. No need to stress about trying to hang on for a win with a final qtr fade out.

It would be great to lead all game, but that doesn’t always equate to being in control of the match.

I also don’t think many of the Carlton supporters around me felt the game was under their control. The same could be said of their players who seemingly made mistakes due to the pressure of the situation.

[Roadrunner]

At halftime I said to my son that the one blessing of the outcome so far is that it changes the narrative of our typical performances this year. No need to stress about trying to hang on for a win with a final qtr fade out.

It would be great to lead all game, but that doesn’t always equate to being in control of the match.

I also don’t think many of the Carlton supporters around me felt the game was under their control. The same could be said of their players who seemingly made mistakes due to the pressure of the situation.

Both teams had control in patches but not for the entire game, obviously. Our kicking ended up costing the win but Mackay missed 2 gimmes so a fair result would have been a draw. If a few more minutes would have been available we could have kicked a goal and tied the scores. Our forward entries and a bad first 10 minutes ended up the difference between the teams.

[crackedactor 01]

I see Longmire had a big go at the Goal review technology. He felt the Swans were on the wrong side of both so called touch points. So for the people who cried out they were both touched, maybe they should go see OPSM and not criticise myself for calling them correctly.

[Blood Fever]

Don't think you can come to those conclusions from JL comments. He believes the game hasn't got the technology right.

[KSAS]

That effwit Mark McClure, looking through his blue spectacles, said on 1116 today that Martin had merely "slapped" Blakey. How these dickheads get a job on air is beyond belief. Even the rather questionable Luke Hodge felt compelled to correct him.

Thought the same when I heard MacLure say that! The week before MacLure was on with Dermie, who was explaining how clubs can still find nuggets if they're prepared to do the work to find & develop them. Dermie mentioned Hayden MacLean as his prime example, upon which MacLure immediately quizzed him in a comical tone. Sensing Maclure didn't know who Hayden was, Dermie then pointed out to him that Hayden had just signed a 4 year contract with us, to which the penny finally dropped with Maclure and realised he'd looked the fool.