Coaches

[Ruck'n'Roll]

One area where you'd think coaches could have an impact is set shots for goal. It's pretty much the only time in the game where a player has 30 uninterrupted seconds to execute a skill that can be trained for.
So why are modern players so awful at it?

[Blood Fever]

When young, we were taught to aim for something behind the goals like a tree that was half way between the big sticks. That was for closer in shots. Players could pick out someone in the crowd or something else and aim for that, making it more like a field kick. Field kicking has never been better. This explanation is a bit clumsy but hope it makes sense.

[Bloods05]

When young, we were taught to aim for something behind the goals like a tree that was half way between the big sticks. That was for closer in shots. Players could pick out someone in the crowd or something else and aim for that, making it more like a field kick. Field kicking has never been better. This explanation is a bit clumsy but hope it makes sense.

Peter Hudson, who was a deadly set shot, bemoans the fact that so few players have a set routine, one that they repeat every time they kick for goal. Plugger was another who had one. Most of the really great goalkickers have had it.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Peter Hudson, who was a deadly set shot, bemoans the fact that so few players have a set routine, one that they repeat every time they kick for goal. Plugger was another who had one. Most of the really great goalkickers have had it.

Hayward is particular in that regard, sometimes it seems he can't even decide between going aroung the corner or a drop punt - which just adds an extra layer of difficulty to sticking with a set routine.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Hayward is particular in that regard, sometimes it seems he can't even decide between going aroung the corner of a drop punt - which just adds an extra layer of difficulty to sticking with a set routine.

What I've found weird with Hayward is when he sticks to his routine, it's usually lovely and fluid. It's when he starts to get funky that things go wrong. I think it was the game against the Dogs in around round 16 or 17 where he was all over the shop, trying this, doing that; but the next week against Freo he went back to his routine and nailed them.

It's where Harry McKay is so painful to watch. He has no routine, and looks like he's making it up every time he's shooting for goal. Which is why even his snaps - some of which he tries off two steps, some of six, some with momentum, others none - go all over the shop.

Our best set shots - think McLean or McDonald - almost never vary their routine unless the angle truly forces them to. That accords with the approach of the best we've seen - like Plugger or Matthew Lloyd.

[neilfws]

Good article on goal kicking from a few years ago. Featuring Tim Schmidt, who comes to our junior club every year for a kicking clinic. He is all about the routine.

Are AFL players wearing flippers? The art of goal kicking failing the modern game

[Nico]

Kosi Pickett last week: dead in front 30 metres out. He goes back, prepares, holds the ball firmly with both hands then starts to walk in. As he walks in he spins the ball in his hands 2 or 3 times, runs in and swings his hands from side to side, and runs towards the right points in which direction the ball went. Very few players have the discipline to stick to a rigid style. Barry Hall had a very good routine but MOL was a bit all over the shop. Sam Reid seems to drop ball either to the outside or inside of his feet plus he is pidgeon toed so kicks across his body.

[Nico]

On the email I got today there was photo of a Swans AFLW player holding the ball in her left hand and looking to hand ball. Where her hand is indicates that she would be hitting down on the ball or on top of the footy. This is not the correct way to hand ball and would get very little distance or accuracy. Coaching?

[stevoswan]

I just read on SEN that Don Pyke is showing interest in becoming West Coast's next CEO.

Yes, I read that about 2 weeks ago in the Hun and have been meaning to mention it here.....so that is true. I think he was saying he'd have to weigh a lot of things up because his family is quite settled in Sydney. I hope he stays.

[stevoswan]

. We can attract assistants if Horse is willing to change too. But it is his inflexibility that may turn potentially great assistants off. ex players on the football shows have as a group expressed doubts about the way we play. They have pointed to gaping holes in our playing style. From lack of clearances, to lack of contested possession. They have pointed out that we do not play a style that wins premierships. Maybe the coaches need to address that first and foremost. We have some of the best ball users in the AFL & we waste them by kicking long to a contest at least 50% of the time. Our leading patterns are obvious and we send too many players to the one area, instead of spreading. This is basic game plan stuff and the Head Coach is in charge of that.

Oh and we need some fitness people who can keep our players fit

We seem to have gone away from our exciting early 2021 playing style.....because some pundits said other teams had 'worked us out'. If so, I agree that it's not working.

I also agree with the fitness comment. I thought Raper was the bees knees with fitness and recovery?

[Kafka's Ghost]

We seem to have gone away from our exciting early 2021 playing style.....because some pundits said other teams had 'worked us out'. If so, I agree that it's not working.

I also agree with the fitness comment. I thought Raper was the bees knees with fitness and recovery?

I think our playing style was disrupted by injury and the inability of the team to gel. Started showing it a bit more as the team settled.


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[caj23]

I’m jealous

Collingwood recognised that Bucks wasn’t going to take them to a premiership and made the tough call to move him on.

We missed a trick with young coaches like McRae and Kingsley showing that the status quo isn’t always the best option

Meanwhile Horse, Hinkley and co have had their chance and their time has passed

[The Big Cat]

I’m jealous

Collingwood recognised that Bucks wasn’t going to take them to a premiership and made the tough call to move him on.

We missed a trick with young coaches like McRae and Kingsley showing that the status quo isn’t always the best option

Meanwhile Horse, Hinkley and co have had their chance and their time has passed

What's Bob Hudson's line from The Newcastle Song: 'Never let a chance go by oh Lord, never let a chance go by......'

Pretty selective examples - Fagan is an old coach. Young coaches such as Longmuir, Mitchell, Nicks, Dew, didn't even get their teams into the top eight. Older coaches Longmire, Lyon, Vos, Hinkley did.

[caj23]

What's Bob Hudson's line from The Newcastle Song: 'Never let a chance go by oh Lord, never let a chance go by......'

Pretty selective examples - Fagan is an old coach. Young coaches such as Longmuir, Mitchell, Nicks, Dew, didn't even get their teams into the top eight. Older coaches Longmire, Lyon, Vos, Hinkley did.

I’ve no idea what about your song, presumably it was topping the charts back in the 1930’s when you were a teenager ????

It’s nothing to do with age, it’s length of tenure without success

You can keep doing the same thing that doesn’t work over and over again, or, you can be innovative and get the best and brightest into an organisation to progress it forward

[i'm-uninformed2]

I’ve no idea what about your song, presumably it was topping the charts back in the 1930’s when you were a teenager ????

It’s nothing to do with age, it’s length of tenure without success

You can keep doing the same thing that doesn’t work over and over again, or, you can be innovative and get the best and brightest into an organisation to progress it forward

Of recent flag coaches:

- McRae won a flag in his second year, just like Horse
- Scott won a flag in his first year, then took another 11 to win his next
- Goodwin took the Dees down to bottom four two years in a row before winning one
- Hardwick came close to being sacked after seven unsuccessful years, before they went on a streak.

If you think there is a single formula here, you’re wrong.