Sydney v Geelong match thread - Rd13

[liz]

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[liz]

One of the best goals you will see.

I was disappointed (in a way) to see it not feature in the AFL's top three goals of the week. But not surprised in the sense that the main criterion for that nomination seems to be the difficulty of the actual kick for goal, with bonus points thrown in for a bit of dodging, weaving and evasion in the immediate lead up.

Errol's goal did make the top three. It was a beautiful kick but there wasn't much pressure on it, thanks to the scoreboard and the time left. It was the kind of situation where he could let rip with few consequences. And there'll be a handful of similar goals this season (possibly including some more from Errol). Similarly with Stengle's goal. It was highly skillful, but again, one we will see repeated quite often. Lots of players have learned how to make the ball dance and sing like that.

I doubt we'll see many goals quite like Chad's second. I doubt we'll see any.

[liz]

On AFL360 they showed footage of some of our goals from different camera angles than what was shown on the telecast. It was taken from ground level and the footage from behind Logan of his kick leading to that Chad goal was amazing!

Was that today's 360 or yesterday's? I tend to fast forward through much of the show and didn't see what you describe. I'll go back and watch properly but I'd prefer not to have to watch both days' programme properly.

[crackedactor 01]

Because I've only watched the Chad goal at the end 20 times, lord there are some good things.

First, we create at least two stoppages between Rowie's brutal tackle on Bowes and McInerney's hand to stop the Atkins handball underground.

Then, Rowie's gather and handball among a truckload of traffic; Gulden working Atkins into the contest to give himself space and to take the ball and clear it (right foot if you don't mind); Amartey winning a two on one; Wilbur having the pace and composure to gather and handball with Stewart up his date; I have previously remarked on Logan fanning off after the kick to guard space in the event of a bad bounce and turnover, but what a kick - not 50 ahead where it'd be dribbling around and Chad would get gobbled up, but 20-30 ahead where it would pivot and bounce up for Chad; and then of course Chad's run.

One of the best goals you will see.

Just for the records, Chad's speed was clocked at 38 kms which is serous speed when top sprinting Olympians do about 40 plus kms per hour. Usain Bolt has the record at 44kms

[Auntie.Gerald]

Has anyone gone back and watched the first qtr online?

It was fascinating.

This is not being picky. Horse has said that the first qtrs of ours are a concern. I always find it interesting on what tactics are being used to get a jump on a very good team like the Swans. Our team on fire becomes more predictable to plot against because our best footy is on display almost every week right now. We are so dominant that we tend to stick with what is working.

Was it Geelong or ourselves creating an extra man at the contest. If so was it the first, second or third contest where an extra man or a combo of both?

If it was Geelong creating an extra man at one of or multiple contests, where was this player coming from......which Swans player did they leave? Forwards, mids, backs? Did they change it up?

Did their mids play outside of the tap or inside? or a mix of both?

Where was the clearance happening? immediately or next phase of contest? ie 1st, 2nd or 3rd contests as it keeps moving.

Grundy almost always leaves his man after the tap to be an extra at the first and second contest. Was Geelong peeling off their ruckman not to go with Grundy and instead having their ruck feature elsewhere on the ground as an extra ie fill the top of their defensive arc to block our quick entries in front?

Was it zone vs man on man in general in the first qtr?

Was it moving between both at the wrong or right times?

Was the opposition out tackling us?

Where they flooding and locking us in?

Were they scoring low percentage goals that are hard to defend against?

Were we missing easy ones or taking too many risky ones?

Was our team GPS down and they went for it collectively?

Or was it simply a little bit in each of the above areas that added up to hurt us?

Just some of the key areas that are very interesting to observe and try and analyse. I mean wouldnt it be cool to have the Swans scorecard and stats on how they measure themselves !!!!

IN previous games when behind at the first qtr.......I felt that our tall forwards had to use a little more discretion when deciding to bring to ground or take the mark. When to body work or lead for the territory vs a mark. We are young and learning with our tall forwards and the 150 game plus tall defenders are a bugger to play against.

This first qtr was more about how Geelong created an extra man in the second and third contests. On the first contest (between the arcs) Geelong almost immediately had a player sprint away to the next contest to create an extra man. Example being : Jack Bowes was very very good in getting into Heeney (body on body) in the first contest (like he was tagging Heeney) but then he would almost immediately break hard, put 10m on Heeney and make sure that the second or third phase contest was where he applied his pressure and extra man.

Bowes is a lot quicker than I thought and at the game it is easy to mix him up with Max Holmes. Point being though Heeney is our slowest mid (arguably) and Bowes is super quick over 30m or so. This left Heeney in no mans land and Bowes as an extra at the second or third contest.

That first goal by Bowes he had left dust between he and Heeney at the centre square, then bolted to the defensive second contest, then bolted forward as Heeney finally got him. A very clever seconds into the game tactical sub. Also a great goal by Bowes low percentage but nailed it.

So here is the clever part. When the Swans tried to adjust on this and stand a little more defensive side at the contest (one on one) to reduce the breakaway impact to the next contest Geelong changed where their extra man came from.

They left Neale in the goal square at 250cm tall .............They brought Hawkins and Cameron in as very long leading extra man. ie their exit via the side had one on one contest initially, but the Cats held up our player on player. waiting for the over top Hawk or Cameron to pick off the ball. This created the extra man to gain possession.

Then the they switched their extra man via their HBFs driving hard forward to minimise damage if they turned the ball over. This also gave them an extra man vs our exit.

Quite clever tactics to keep adjusting who was playing the extra man at a contest and at what contest. Very disciplined !

Then the icing on the cake was first 10-15mins having their small forwards leading up hard while their tall forwards were trotting back. Their mids and small forwards had impact on the scoreboard early.

[Mel]

After rewatching the game at last last night, I'm surprised not many have mentioned McInerney's game. I think it was one of his best. He particularly did some great work in the first quarter when things weren't quite going our way.

Also, a lot have spoken about how Amartey had a great game and has stepped up, and I agree, but I also think McDonald played an important role, although not so much as a tall forward. His work around the ground and in the forward flank/wing in particular was crucial in a couple of spots. He made excellent decisions and his skills were top notch.

[Mel_C]

Was that today's 360 or yesterday's? I tend to fast forward through much of the show and didn't see what you describe. I'll go back and watch properly but I'd prefer not to have to watch both days' programme properly.

It was Monday's show.

[i'm-uninformed2]

It was Monday's show.

I tell ya what. Watch the Quad Call on tonight’s 360 about two thirds in and you realise what a clever and deliberate kick that was by McDonald. In the first shot from behind the play you see him literally turn his foot a fraction to get it to the outside of his boot, go high, and bounce rather than dribble on landing. And in the final shot from the front you see him deliberately angle it to be in Chad’s run. He’s got some development to do, but he’s got such a high work rate and is a high HQ footballer.

[liz]

I tell ya what. Watch the Quad Call on tonight’s 360 about two thirds in and you realise what a clever and deliberate kick that was by McDonald. In the first shot from behind the play you see him literally turn his foot a fraction to get it to the outside of his boot, go high, and bounce rather than dribble on landing. And in the final shot from the front you see him deliberately angle it to be in Chad’s run. He’s got some development to do, but he’s got such a high work rate and is a high HQ footballer.

I caught today's Quad Call, which relieves me of the need to go back and scroll through Monday's show.

Though I wish one of the angles they'd shown on the Quad Call was the one from the live broadcast. The other angles are interesting, but none really shows the speed at which Chad was moving.

[Mel_C]

I tell ya what. Watch the Quad Call on tonight’s 360 about two thirds in and you realise what a clever and deliberate kick that was by McDonald. In the first shot from behind the play you see him literally turn his foot a fraction to get it to the outside of his boot, go high, and bounce rather than dribble on landing. And in the final shot from the front you see him deliberately angle it to be in Chad’s run. He’s got some development to do, but he’s got such a high work rate and is a high HQ footballer.

Thanks for that. I don't normally watch 360 unless there is going to be Swans content. I've never seen the Quad Call before. The 4 different broadcasts calling the goal, to go with the 4 different angles was great.

[Mel_C]

I caught today's Quad Call, which relieves me of the need to go back and scroll through Monday's show.

Though I wish one of the angles they'd shown on the Quad Call was the one from the live broadcast. The other angles are interesting, but none really shows the speed at which Chad was moving.

I've seen so many footy programs over the last couple of days and they've all morphed together in my memory. There was definitely one program that highlighted Chad from when he started running from the backline all the way to when he kicked the goal. I think It was either On the Couch or Footy Classified.

[MattW]

I've seen so many footy programs over the last couple of days and they've all morphed together in my memory. There was definitely one program that highlighted Chad from when he started running from the backline all the way to when he kicked the goal. I think It was either On the Couch or Footy Classified.

It was 19min into On the Couch. ????