There will be a Sydney Swans AFLW team in the 2022-23 season

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  • joeykanga
    Warming the Bench
    • Jul 2019
    • 361

    #31
    Originally posted by liz
    'I fell into it': Footy a family affair for Bronwyn Gulden

    Here's a feature piece on one of the girls' academy assistant coaches (and Swans VIP in a broader sense).
    Great article …I wonder if she has an interest in the AFLW side coaching role
    I imagine the Swans will hopefully give an opportunity to a female coach

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    • Meg
      Go Swannies!
      Site Admin
      • Aug 2011
      • 4828

      #32
      Originally posted by liz
      'I fell into it': Footy a family affair for Bronwyn Gulden

      Here's a feature piece on one of the girls' academy assistant coaches (and Swans VIP in a broader sense).
      No wonder the Gulden junior family members are an impressive lot with a role-model mother like this - what a woman!

      I love that she fulfilled one of her dreams by making her footy playing debut this year - she surely is at least 40yo (noting Adam and Errol’s ages)?

      This also made me laugh:

      "It's been a bit tricky watching him (Errol) on tv, but he's living his best life down there (Melbourne) and he assures us he misses us, but I'm not entirely sure.”

      Lol, I’ve suspected that lockdown ‘bubble’ footy both last year and this has been tough on the older players (particularly those with families and home commitments) - and a ball of fun for the young guys!

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      • neilfws
        Senior Player
        • Aug 2009
        • 1818

        #33
        Originally posted by Meg
        No wonder the Gulden junior family members are an impressive lot with a role-model mother like this - what a woman!

        I love that she fulfilled one of her dreams by making her footy playing debut this year - she surely is at least 40yo (noting Adam and Errol’s ages)?
        I believe she is 55. What an inspiration! Never too late.

        Bron's childhood dream realised

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        • Meg
          Go Swannies!
          Site Admin
          • Aug 2011
          • 4828

          #34
          Originally posted by neilfws
          I believe she is 55. What an inspiration! Never too late.

          Bron's childhood dream realised
          You’re right - from that article: ‘She proved age is all but a number when last month she made her football debut at 55-years of age for the UNSW Bulldogs reserves side in the AFL Sydney league.’

          Truly amazing!

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          • mcs
            Travelling Swannie!!
            • Jul 2007
            • 8149

            #35
            Further good news for both the Swans teams with the announcement today that the Swans HQ project is back on Sydney Swans HQ at the Royal Hall of Industries
            "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              #36
              I find it upsetting how medical evidence of the dangers of women playing football have been ignored. Women are physiologically much more vulnerable to getting concussion than men are, and the damage caused by concussion in women is also worse. There are other health risks which are greater for women playing contact sports. Women should be discouraged from playing sports with a high incidence of concussion.

              For those who an interested in this subject, I suggest listening to this podcast from Nature Magazine

              Audio long-read: why sports concussions are worse for women

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              • bloodspirit
                Clubman
                • Apr 2015
                • 4448

                #37
                Originally posted by Ludwig
                I find it upsetting how medical evidence of the dangers of women playing football have been ignored. Women are physiologically much more vulnerable to getting concussion than men are, and the damage caused by concussion in women is also worse. There are other health risks which are greater for women playing contact sports. Women should be discouraged from playing sports with a high incidence of concussion.

                For those who an interested in this subject, I suggest listening to this podcast from Nature Magazine

                Audio long-read: why sports concussions are worse for women
                Thanks for sharing this informative article, Ludwig.

                I don't agree that "Women should be discouraged from playing sports with a high incidence of concussion." To me that feels paternalistic. I think the key is to provide the best available information and let everyone make informed choices. Life is full of risk and it is important to think about the costs and risks and also the benefits. However, I do agree that there should be more research, education, and more concerted efforts given to managing the incidence and treatment of these injuries.
                All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                • Ludwig
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9359

                  #38
                  Originally posted by bloodspirit
                  Thanks for sharing this informative article, Ludwig.

                  I don't agree that "Women should be discouraged from playing sports with a high incidence of concussion." To me that feels paternalistic. I think the key is to provide the best available information and let everyone make informed choices. Life is full of risk and it is important to think about the costs and risks and also the benefits. However, I do agree that there should be more research, education, and more concerted efforts given to managing the incidence and treatment of these injuries.
                  It's easy to be tricked into labeling any denial of equality to women as sexist or paternalistic, but we have to recognize that there are real physiological differences between men and women that can end in a lack of consideration of women's health and safety. So what may seem as equality is really discriminatory. This is such a case. The science has shown that women are more vulnerable to any number of injuries when high impact sports.

                  IMO, women's professional football is a commercial exploitation of women in disregard of their safety. Why don't we just follow the science? That's what we tell the anti-vaxxers when it comes to Covid.

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                  • Ruck'n'Roll
                    Ego alta, ergo ictus
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 3990

                    #39
                    I don't agree and I've made my POV clear above - but don't you think the real physiological differences should be a factor to be considered by the woman in question?
                    Last edited by Ruck'n'Roll; 30 August 2021, 01:56 PM.

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                    • Ludwig
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9359

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
                      I don't agree and I've made my POV clear above - but don't you think the real physiological differences should be a factor to be considered by the woman in question?
                      Yes, of course. I'm all for freedom to choose. But I don't feel that enough has been done by the sporting authorities to make women aware of the risks associated by playing football. If they know they have twice the risk of getting concussion than men do and the effects of brain trauma are even worse, and they still want to play, then go for it.

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                      • goswannies
                        Senior Player
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 3048

                        #41
                        ACLs a definite higher incidence (and that’s without playing AFL into the equation). The concern I have for concussion and ACLs is that male players have been involved with litigation relating to previous concussion. If there is a population that innately has an increased risk, does this pose a litigious risk in future? Not a reason not to play, but just a point of interest.

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                        • Ludwig
                          Veterans List
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9359

                          #42
                          Originally posted by goswannies
                          ACLs a definite higher incidence (and that’s without playing AFL into the equation). The concern I have for concussion and ACLs is that male players have been involved with litigation relating to previous concussion. If there is a population that innately has an increased risk, does this pose a litigious risk in future? Not a reason not to play, but just a point of interest.
                          You can hear the claimants' lawyers arguing that the AFL knew there was an inherent higher risk of injury, but did nothing about it. I like the payout chances of the brain damaged women. Solid case.

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                          • Ruck'n'Roll
                            Ego alta, ergo ictus
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 3990

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Ludwig
                            Yes, of course. I'm all for freedom to choose. But I don't feel that enough has been done by the sporting authorities to make women aware of the risks associated by playing football. If they know they have twice the risk of getting concussion than men do and the effects of brain trauma are even worse, and they still want to play, then go for it.
                            We are in agreement in this issue - if a situation is made clear (to me that's always THE issue), then on their head be it.

                            Originally posted by Ludwig
                            You can hear the claimants' lawyers arguing that the AFL knew there was an inherent higher risk of injury, but did nothing about it. I like the payout chances of the brain damaged women. Solid case.
                            I've always regarded Dicks comment in Henry VI, Part 2, Act IV, Scene 2 as lacking in ambition.

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                            • Ludwig
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9359

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll

                              I've always regarded Dicks comment in Henry VI, Part 2, Act IV, Scene 2 as lacking in ambition.
                              About killing the lawyers?

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                              • dejavoodoo44
                                Veterans List
                                • Apr 2015
                                • 8494

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Ludwig
                                About killing the lawyers?
                                It would make an interesting court case.

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