Swans related trade talk

[cruiser]

Originally posted by Mark
Err NO,

That is exactly how you end up being Hawthorn !

You bring players thru every year and top up your squad, not let most of your group all end up the same age, that is sheer folly.

That's taking it to the other extreme. We can keep an eye out for our future while at the same time focussing on how we can best win back to back next year. I have much faith in our coach and our recruiting department to do the right thing.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by Mark
You should prob include Fosdike in that also, as from memory he was a priority (effective) 1st round. Also Nicky D ?

Davis was pick 19 - I think. Which I think was early second round.

[Mark]

Originally posted by cruiser
That's taking it to the other extreme. We can keep an eye out for our future while at the same time focussing on how we can best win back to back next year.

That was my point ! maybe poorly put

[BayesysLeftBoot]

Originally posted by Mark
You should never be 'forced' to rebuild ala Hawthorn, and anyway Roos is too smart for that.

But apologies if i am still misunderstanding

True, I just think that four years from now is when we will be hit hardest by retirements etc. Hopefully, we will have enough young talent still coming through to stay competative. Look at Adelaide for example last year they were bagged for topping up in order to win a premiership for too long and many people predicted they would spend a long time rebuilding before becoming a force again.

[barry]

Originally posted by Charlie
Hall (by virtue of us having traded two first round picks to get him)
Williams (traded first round pick)
J.Bolton
Ball (traded first round pick)

It's conclusive. Trading away first round picks can't win flags.... oops... wait a minute...

Like I said before in another thread, none of those were anywhere near 32 when we gave up a first round draft pick for.

Everitt is not worth a 1st round draft pick.
Everitt will not guarantee us a 2nd flag.

[Charlie]

Originally posted by barry
I heard the exact same thing from your grandfather in 1934.

My grandfather was a Roys supporter.

Originally posted by Mark
You should prob include Fosdike in that also, as from memory he was a priority (effective) 1st round. Also Nicky D ?

I forgot Fossie, Crouch and Jolly (I did it very quickly).

Davis was traded for pick 23, so he's a second round draft pick.

The rest of the 22 (please correct any that are wrong):
Mathews - zone selection
O'Keefe - pick 56
C. Bolton - pick 6, PSD
Schneider - pick 60
Kennelly - international rookie
O'Loughlin - pick 40
Ablett - pick 24
Barry - zone selection
Dempster - father/son - pick 37 or thereabouts.
Roberts-Thomson - priority selection, pick 29
Kirk - rookie list
Buchanan - pick 52
Goodes - pick 37
Bevan - rookie list

[Charlie]

Originally posted by barry
Like I said before in another thread, none of those were anywhere near 32 when we gave up a first round draft pick for.

Everitt is not worth a 1st round draft pick.
Everitt will not guarantee us a 2nd flag.

We were nowhere near winning a flag when we picked up Ball, Williams or Hall. We thought we were with Hall, though.

We are expected to finish top four again next year. We have one change from our premiership winning side - we've lost a ruckman. Everitt is a direct replacement. He increases our chance of winning another flag (nothing EVER guarantees a flag). The draft is shallow and our pick is garbage. What is your issue here?

[cruiser]

Originally posted by barry
Everitt is not worth a 1st round draft pick.
Everitt will not guarantee us a 2nd flag.

I think that he is worth a 1st round draft pick.

Nothing can guarantee a flag.

(gee Charlie, you and I have never agreed so much with each other over something )

[barry]

Originally posted by Charlie
The rest of the 22 (please correct any that are wrong):
Mathews - zone selection
O'Keefe - pick 56
C. Bolton - pick 6, PSD
Schneider - pick 60
Kennelly - international rookie
O'Loughlin - pick 40
Ablett - pick 24
Barry - zone selection
Dempster - father/son - pick 37 or thereabouts.
Roberts-Thomson - priority selection, pick 29
Kirk - rookie list
Buchanan - pick 52
Goodes - pick 37
Bevan - rookie list

Off topic, but....

7 of our best 22 came outside the draft (zones, international, rookie). Thats how you build a list without bottoming out.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Charlie
I forgot Fossie, Crouch and Jolly (I did it very quickly).

Davis was traded for pick 23, so he's a second round draft pick.

I forgot Crouch also, realise we traded a round 2 for Nicky D, just thought he was originally a round 1. Seems he went early 2 (19) tho.

Picks can be deceiving, could never believe how high Warfe went !

[cruiser]

Originally posted by BayesysLeftBoot
Look at Adelaide for example last year they were bagged for topping up in order to win a premiership for too long and many people predicted they would spend a long time rebuilding before becoming a force again.

And how wrong were they?

[BayesysLeftBoot]

Originally posted by Charlie
The draft is shallow and our pick is garbage.

I agree, pick 19 in an average draft is nothing to get excited about but an AA ruckman who we should at least get 2 years out of is.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Charlie
O'Keefe - pick 56
Schneider - pick 60
O'Loughlin - pick 40
Buchanan - pick 52
Goodes - pick 37

You would like some of that @@@@, would you not !

Good job Ricky !!!!!!

[BayesysLeftBoot]

Originally posted by cruiser
And how wrong were they?

That was my point. We can afford to top up now in order to challenge for another flag and still be confident that we will have the talent to remain a force afterwards.

[barry]

Originally posted by Charlie
We are expected to finish top four again next year. We have one change from our premiership winning side - we've lost a ruckman. Everitt is a direct replacement. He increases our chance of winning another flag (nothing EVER guarantees a flag). The draft is shallow and our pick is garbage. What is your issue here?

Because Everitt is old. He's had his share of injuries, and I think AT BEST, he could give us one more good season before he winds down. At worst, he'll break down, and derail our "culture".
If the deal is 1st round pick + Saddo. I'd keep Saddo and Doyle.
If its Saddo + 2nd or 3rd rounder for him, then worth the risk.

Just my humble opinion. Who's to say Doyle cant put in a full year as 2nd ruck.