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  • Newbie
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    • Mar 2003
    • 720

    #76
    I cant recall any youngster that Essendon let out and turned out to be a success at another club. Established players, may be yes but promising players coming from Essendon always turned out to be duds after leaving them.

    Pls give me a name to disprove my theory.

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    • cruiser
      What the frack!
      • Jul 2004
      • 6114

      #77
      Originally posted by Newbie
      I cant recall any youngster that Essendon let out and turned out to be a success at another club. Established players, may be yes but promising players coming from Essendon always turned out to be duds after leaving them.

      Pls give me a name to disprove my theory.
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      • Young Blood
        On the rise
        • Apr 2005
        • 541

        #78
        Originally posted by Newbie
        I cant recall any youngster that Essendon let out and turned out to be a success at another club. Established players, may be yes but promising players coming from Essendon always turned out to be duds after leaving them.

        Pls give me a name to disprove my theory.
        Stephen Milne. He was on their rookie list.

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        • Plugger46
          Senior Player
          • Apr 2003
          • 3674

          #79
          Originally posted by barry
          Doubtful. By 22/23 you can usually tell if someone's going to make it or not. Essendon and Geelong clearly dont think so.

          Although given our ruck situation, #35 for chambers is a good trade.
          Melbourne thought the same thing about Jolly. Clubs get players wrong all of the time.
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          • swans_premiers
            On the Rookie List
            • Feb 2003
            • 1101

            #80
            How old was Barry Hall when we got him?
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            • SimonH
              Salt future's rising
              • Aug 2004
              • 1647

              #81
              Originally posted by barry
              Doubtful. By 22/23 you can usually tell if someone's going to make it or not. Essendon and Geelong clearly dont think so.
              Wrong way of looking at it. I would guess that a good 30% of pick #19s, and closer to 50% of pick #35s, never get as far in their careers as Chambers and Richards already have. And that's with up to 4 years of a club keeping a spot on the list for 'em and paying 'em a salary.

              This is why the draft is an expensive, as well as an unreliable, crapshoot. So Roos' philosophy is right: if you don't have a pick which is going to get you a very likely 100-game player (usually that's a top-10 pick), then you'll trade a pick for a decent (youngish but mature) body every time.

              Obviously you have to believe that the bloke is capable of taking the next step. Sydney wouldn't have picked them up if they didn't think that. But if we win the bet, we get all of the good bit of their career (which could still be very, very long) without all of the fiddly and risky bad stuff.

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              • Newbie
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                • Mar 2003
                • 720

                #82
                Originally posted by swans_premiers
                How old was Barry Hall when we got him?
                About 25 but then he was already established myself as a player. Everyone knew he could play by then.

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                • Ryan Bomford
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                  • Sep 2003
                  • 652

                  #83
                  Originally posted by Plugger46
                  Melbourne thought the same thing about Jolly. Clubs get players wrong all of the time.
                  Plus the Swans aren't looking for future stars but rather capable players who can be effectively taught the Swans game plan.

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                  • THERBS
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                    • Sep 2005
                    • 133

                    #84
                    [QUOTE]Originally posted by cruiser
                    [B]Hang in there.

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                    • Reggi
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                      • Jan 2003
                      • 2718

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Newbie
                      I cant recall any youngster that Essendon let out and turned out to be a success at another club. Established players, may be yes but promising players coming from Essendon always turned out to be duds after leaving them.

                      Pls give me a name to disprove my theory.
                      There are none
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                      • big bear
                        Bleed Red and White
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 256

                        #86
                        I put my total faith in our premiership coach. I was totally wrong about LRT and in the foreseeable future will not question Roosy. I have learnt my lesson.
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                        • giant
                          Veterans List
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 4731

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Reggi
                          There are none
                          Cam Mooney

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                          • giant
                            Veterans List
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 4731

                            #88
                            Originally posted by SimonH
                            Wrong way of looking at it. I would guess that a good 30% of pick #19s, and closer to 50% of pick #35s, never get as far in their careers as Chambers and Richards already have. And that's with up to 4 years of a club keeping a spot on the list for 'em and paying 'em a salary.

                            This is why the draft is an expensive, as well as an unreliable, crapshoot. So Roos' philosophy is right: if you don't have a pick which is going to get you a very likely 100-game player (usually that's a top-10 pick), then you'll trade a pick for a decent (youngish but mature) body every time.

                            Obviously you have to believe that the bloke is capable of taking the next step. Sydney wouldn't have picked them up if they didn't think that. But if we win the bet, we get all of the good bit of their career (which could still be very, very long) without all of the fiddly and risky bad stuff.
                            "Moneyball"!!!

                            I agree - not the worst trade we've ever done. I presume that Barham/Stone have looked carefully at this year's draft & can't see where the value is at picks 19 & 35.

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                            • Jeffers1984
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                              • Jan 2003
                              • 4564

                              #89
                              Originally posted by giant
                              Cam Mooney
                              I thought he started off with the Roos and was in their 99 premiership team?
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                              • sharpie
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                                • Jul 2003
                                • 1588

                                #90
                                Originally posted by SimonH
                                Wrong way of looking at it. I would guess that a good 30% of pick #19s, and closer to 50% of pick #35s, never get as far in their careers as Chambers and Richards already have.
                                Agreed.

                                I bet barry was one of the many last year that questioned Jolly's trade.
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