Barry, Crouch, Matthews

[motorace_182]

Fosdike is not as fearless as his nickname says, he always ends up on the bottom of the pack cos he forces it there.
Kirk got a fair amount of the footy early but wasted it big time as did Tiger. Stewie played well as did BH, but why put Nicks and ROK in there????Both clearly not up to scratch and will never make it at the top flight.

[Craig]

Yep that 'Fearless' tag is a joke. From now on I'm calling him Fumbling Fosdike.

I thought Kirk was great yesterday. He tried hard all day, got a bit of the ball and used it relatively well. Likewise with Maxfield.

[Mark]

How you can bag Crouch (as a player) after one mediocre performance is beyond me! he has taken some more than handy scalps this year alone !

Nicks had a blinder of course kicking directly to Norf players on at least two occasions kicking into Burton with two plyers free upfield and no pressure on. He is a lazy player at the best of times but when out of form (as he has been for over a year) does not deserve a spot.

It is easy to pick out individuals either way but lets face it the whole team did not perform.

[Frosty_13]

Plugger would have to agree with you these 3 blokes are holding the team back from really being a top 4 side. Leo DOES NOT have a right foot and bounces the ball every 3 steps HE IS HORRIBLE. Its a myth that crouch is a good footballer, he may tag allright but to be a good footballer you must do a lot more than just tag. A good tagger is someone who shuts the person down and gets the ball himself and USES it - e.g Brett Kirk. Crouch has terrible skills he turns the ball over reguarly.

Mathhews is just plain soft, is a genuine reciver and never gets the hardball. How oftern do you see him on his own. Usally his opponent hurts us.

Bear i think you have to respect every 1 on this board not just the ones that agree with you.

[redunderthebed]

yeh Frosty, but Plugger46 is wrong and deserves to be corrected.
I think Leo had a poor game but Crouch and mathews were ok.On that game, Nicks,Fossie,Warfe would be more in question as part of the team for the future.

[liz]

Originally posted by redunderthebed
I think Leo had a poor game but Crouch and mathews were ok.On that game, Nicks,Fossie,Warfe would be more in question as part of the team for the future.

Which is why you shouldn't judge a player on single performances. Fossie has been one of the most consistent players this season - until yesterday. He hasn't been starring but has been doing solid, hard, valuable work in most games, both within packs and as a receiver.

And for those who think Crouch and Mathews are not worthy, I'll remind you yet again that both finished in the top 10 in last years B&F - Crouch 4th. And Mathews was 3rd the year before. Whatever some of use think about our armchair coaching ability, I think most would acknowledge that our highly credentialled coaching staff do actually know what they're talking about!!!

I know I keep pulling the B&F argument out, but I think its a good reminder of what a tiny part of the contributions we often see.

[Cheer Cheer]

I would also be interested redunderthebed why you say leo had a bad game when he towelled up archer and was in our top 3-4 players

[Nico]

Originally posted by Cheer Cheer
I would also be interested redunderthebed why you say leo had a bad game when he towelled up archer and was in our top 3-4 players

Don't know about this one. Leo did not have a kick in the first half, Archer had 5 in the second stanza. Leo managed 7 handpasses in the last 1/4 but most of those were where he got himself into trouble. How anyone could put him into the best players staggers me.

[Newbie]

Originally posted by lizz
Which is why you shouldn't judge a player on single performances. Fossie has been one of the most consistent players this season - until yesterday. He hasn't been starring but has been doing solid, hard, valuable work in most games, both within packs and as a receiver.

And for those who think Crouch and Mathews are not worthy, I'll remind you yet again that both finished in the top 10 in last years B&F - Crouch 4th. And Mathews was 3rd the year before. Whatever some of use think about our armchair coaching ability, I think most would acknowledge that our highly credentialled coaching staff do actually know what they're talking about!!!

I know I keep pulling the B&F argument out, but I think its a good reminder of what a tiny part of the contributions we often see.

Crouch at 4th in B&F really explains the current state of our list. He would never get in a top 12 for a genuine chance team. While I admire his effort, I doubt we would win the flag with him playing his current role.

Fossie while has been solid, my main question mark over him is whether he could perform in high pressure (i.e. September) footy. So far he has shown none of that. Whenever the pressure is on, he falters. Outwide and in space, he is doing fine.

[liz]

Originally posted by Newbie
Crouch at 4th in B&F really explains the current state of our list. He would never get in a top 12 for a genuine chance team. While I admire his effort, I doubt we would win the flag with him playing his current role.

Fossie while has been solid, my main question mark over him is whether he could perform in high pressure (i.e. September) footy. So far he has shown none of that. Whenever the pressure is on, he falters. Outwide and in space, he is doing fine.

Maybe, maybe not. I happen to rate Crouch more highly than many others on this site - buts that's fine, we're all entitled to our opinion. But unless we think the coaching staff don't know how to judge the players' performances, it suggests there are another 20 or so players whose place in the squad should be questioned first - ie everyone other than Willo, Goodes, Cresswell, the kids, and players who were injured for a large part of last year (Ball, Barry, Maxfield, Doyle).

On Fossie, he hasn't really had a chance to perform in September yet. He's probably only played the one finals game - that massacre against the Hawks in 2001.

[treespirit]

Spot on as usual lizz. Crouch is one of the best taggers around ATM.

It's difficult for us to judge the players' performances when we don't know what the detailed game plan is and what instructions they've been given. It's easy to see when Goodes is flamboyantly running all over the park, but a lot harder to notice when one of the opposition has a quiet game as a result of a great tag.

[Plugger46]

Originally posted by Nico
Don't know about this one. Leo did not have a kick in the first half, Archer had 5 in the second stanza. Leo managed 7 handpasses in the last 1/4 but most of those were where he got himself into trouble. How anyone could put him into the best players staggers me.

Me too Nico.

He cost us any chance of winning the game with his woeful run through the middle of the ground in the last quarter. He just gets it at runs, doesn't think before he goes, "dumb" footballer.

[robbieando]

As said before Leo is a Left footer and as such has to run around to get onto his left foot to kick it too a player.

You two - Plugger46 and Frosty_13 - attack the performance of Barry, Mathews and Crouch, yet you think McPherson and Warfe are good players who should be in the side.

The 3 you name are better than you give them credit for and everytime you bag them we all give you reasons why they are important. You claim that they won't win us a premiership, well McPherson and Warfe sure as hell won't

[Alison]

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,6491026%255E19773,00.html

Also, just to clarify (if you have a look at the statistics) clearance means you win the ball from a bounce of throw in. Someone was going on that Leo Barry only have one clearance. The statistic does not cover clearing the ball out of defence.

If you go to the Herald Sun Statistics, you will see that Leo Barry only had one clanger for the game. Have a look at some of the other players - disgraceful.

I just really feel for Leo and I do not believe that he gets any support from you supporters. Never can you recognise that he does set up play and play well. I agree that he does not need to bounce the ball as much but none of our players are perfect. I think Leo has been one of our best 2 defenders for the year. I went back and had a look at all the posts for the year and after every game, there is a post bagging Leo. Not other players when they do something wrong but always Leo or Warfe. Have a closer look at other players or what Leo does well. Someone said he did not have any kicks up until half time (still ended up with 17 possessions for the game) - yet if it was another defender, BOlton, Shauble you would not care as long as he kept Archer quiet. Ridiculous. I think it was a big task for Leo playing on Archer and he did well. Sorry to go on and on but I think it is bullying. Why do we pick on players? If it is not Barry, it is Warfe or Mathews or Crouch. What about Goodes game on the weekend - if it had been Barry that had tried to be too fancy and played on and kicked a point or dropped easy marks there would have been a post 4 pages long. Or Willow (who I do not believe has been performing) tackling Archer too high and Archer then kicking his only goal. Don't get me wrong I think Goodes is our best player but can you see what I am saying. Go back and watch the reply and see the goals that Leo set up from the backline. Seriously. If you think that all the other players are perfect than that is silly. We all make mistakes but Barry cannot make one without every bullying him. Some people just seem to not like him so pick on everything which is not fair.

[Bear]

Originally posted by Plugger46
Have I really Bear?

Well to tell you the truth, the last thing I'm worried about is the rubbish that comes out of your mouth. We are not going to win a flag with those 3 running around, it is as simple as that.

Obviously you have no idea if your getting into the greatest full-forward of all time, please inform me if you kicked 1360 goals you dropkick. What a joke you are mate.

There are reasons as to why that comeback failed, it never should have. I'll name them for you, if you want??

I'm personally not into making these personal attacks, but the attack you made was un-called for.

You are not into personal atacks???

What are you doing singling out players for personal attacks then...