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  • chammond
    • Jan 2003
    • 1368

    #31
    Clarke has been the best tap ruckman in the AFL since Wynd retired, but that doesn't make him the most effective ruckman - I'd give that accolade to King, who is a different type of ruckman again.

    Because Clarke and Biglands are such different players, interchanging them often upsets the opposition's ruck team.

    Ball's overall stats this year are totally skewed by the early rounds, when he was really struggling for match fitness. If we had Ball and Doyle both fit and firing, I reckon they'd be as good as any combination going round in overall terms.

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    • swan_song
      I'm SO over the swans!
      • Jan 2003
      • 981

      #32
      Woooooooo hoooooo!!!
      Watch those bombers fly up, up....NOT!
      "Davis...Davis has kicked 2...he snaps from 40...dont tell me, dont tell me, hes kicked a goal....unbelievable stuff from Nick Davis, can you believe this, he's kicked 3 final quarter goals and Swans are within 3 points..."

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      • Cheer Cheer
        On the Rookie List
        • Jan 2003
        • 934

        #33
        Originally posted by NMWBloods
        It depends on what you want the ruck guys to do. The Adelaide guys are well ahead on hit outs, but the Swans guys are miles ahead on possessions and marks. The Swans are not a great ruck combination, however are very effective around the ground. I would prefer my ruckmen to do that if I had to choose.
        Thankyou took the words out of my mouth
        No.1 ticket holder of Nick Davis Fan Club...

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        • penga
          Senior Player
          • Jan 2003
          • 2601

          #34
          Originally posted by swan_song
          Woooooooo hoooooo!!!
          Watch those bombers fly up, up....NOT!
          LOL, call!!!

          fair call to, NMW...
          C'mon Chels!

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          • NMWBloods
            Taking Refuge!!
            • Jan 2003
            • 15819

            #35
            On ruckmen, I actually think Gardiner (WCE) is one of the best in the comp.
            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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            • TheHood
              On the Rookie List
              • Jan 2003
              • 1938

              #36
              I wrote at the start of the season that we have one of the most talented big man divisions in the comp, even if for sheer depth:

              Ball: Former key forward, now loves the ruck, plays his best footy on the ball, can save the day down back and go forward AND kick goals.

              Goodes: "nough said"

              Doyle: When this guy is fit, almost impossible to outmark from point blank and is an excellent kick for goal too. I can't wait to have him back out on the ground.

              Hall: People are fogetting that Baz's tap work inside our attacking 50 is some of the best goin around! Sets up the crumbers better that most ruck specialists.
              The Pain of Discipline is Nothing Like The Pain of Disappointment

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              • nicko18
                Warming the Bench
                • Mar 2003
                • 213

                #37
                whew, so refreshing to read a thread like this, rather than the ones on bigfooty where every third post is some collingwood troll trying to demean sydney's efforts

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                • sharp9
                  Senior Player
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2508

                  #38
                  Hall's ruck work has really impressed me. Always looks so solid. Never seems to be properly beaten as his second effort's are outstanding.

                  As for Ball it is clear that we do much better as a team when he is rucking in the centre. Why this should be is leaving me a little bewildered. We don't win the ball any more often. He gets more hitouts than Goodes but they almost bnever go to a Swans player. We have been slaughteres in clearances in nearly every game this year...but somehow this doesn't seem to affect us too much. Doesn't this contravene every known law of AFL football?

                  On Saturday nite it was 53 - 30 to Essendon!!! Unbelievably awful at stoppages we are (as Yoda might say)....as far as getting the first clean possession.

                  Get this though, we won the hitouts 50 - 40.

                  But our inside 50s were ahead.

                  Something is not right with that!!!

                  When we do have passages of winning clearances we tend to pile on 5 goals in a minute. So, in short, when other teams win clearances they don't get much advantage beacuse our pressure is so great that they either turn it over in the centre of it gets bouced straight back off the half back line....but when we get clearances the other team is right rooted because we get it in quick and score a goal with six out of ten shots from anywhere in the forward 60. Hmmmmm......

                  Is this deliberate?
                  "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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                  • penga
                    Senior Player
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2601

                    #39
                    great breakdown there, sharp9, it amkes u think how good we could do with an effective tap ruckman, such as gardiner... (BTW, im not saying we should try and recruit gardiner as it would be rather expensive to get gardiner AND judd )
                    C'mon Chels!

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                    • TheMase
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 1207

                      #40
                      Originally posted by sharp9
                      Hall's ruck work has really impressed me. Always looks so solid. Never seems to be properly beaten as his second effort's are outstanding.

                      As for Ball it is clear that we do much better as a team when he is rucking in the centre. Why this should be is leaving me a little bewildered. We don't win the ball any more often. He gets more hitouts than Goodes but they almost bnever go to a Swans player. We have been slaughteres in clearances in nearly every game this year...but somehow this doesn't seem to affect us too much. Doesn't this contravene every known law of AFL football?

                      On Saturday nite it was 53 - 30 to Essendon!!! Unbelievably awful at stoppages we are (as Yoda might say)....as far as getting the first clean possession.

                      Get this though, we won the hitouts 50 - 40.

                      But our inside 50s were ahead.

                      Something is not right with that!!!

                      When we do have passages of winning clearances we tend to pile on 5 goals in a minute. So, in short, when other teams win clearances they don't get much advantage beacuse our pressure is so great that they either turn it over in the centre of it gets bouced straight back off the half back line....but when we get clearances the other team is right rooted because we get it in quick and score a goal with six out of ten shots from anywhere in the forward 60. Hmmmmm......

                      Is this deliberate?
                      Simple really. We run off half back better than any other team in the competition.

                      That is how we have been winning games IMO.
                      The turnover from half back, and the speed we move it up the ground.

                      We are probably the best team in the AFL at this at the moment.

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