AFL respect in Sydney

[neored]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Goodes is actually from Adelaide.

Who cares what sort of human being Carey is - we are talking football here and he is generally acknowledged as one of the best of the modern era.

So perhaps before being rude, your arguments should be cogent!

You are incorrect. He's from Horsham which when I last checked my map was in Victoria.

Goodes was on Sports Today 3AW a few months ago , and during his discussion the issue of State of Origin came up. He replied that he'd love to be wearing the Big V. So he considers himself a Victorian.

Secondly in an article printed in the Herald Sun a few weeks ago , when being interwied he spoke about his move away from home (Victoria) to NSW.

Thirdly , if James Hird is to be considered an ACT boy and Riewoldt a Queensland boy then the rule should applied across the board . In which case Adam is Victorian.

Lastly along with Nick Stevens (P.A) Nigel Lappin (Bris) Adam Goodes has been highly coveted by Victorian clubs to return to his home state. Fortunately for you he's signed a new contract up til 2006/07

Those who dish it out should take it. I certainly have not been resorting to personal insults throughout this whole discussion. But I will not allow snide remarks to pass, if you are going to attack someone , attack on point of fact.

[Bear]

dear neored,

RELOCATION
since when did you become the law on deciding how many kilometers a team has to relocate to before they all of a sudden become something else? you know what they say about opinions...

CROWDS
our average home crowds this year are 28,000, with only OUR team's supporters really being able to attend - as you are a Victorian-based team, and should have two sets of supporters at the game, I assume your average crowds for Ess v Vic teams would be twice ours would they??? Especially given "sport and society are intertwined in Vic"?? Therefore Ess Telstra Dome games should be packed out...

and if you really want to compare apples with apples, as we have a unique situation where our supporter base is split, add the average 10,000 Melb-based supporters who go to every game in Vic and you have 38,000).

HAYES
Even if some do want Lennie Hayes (just like Sheedy wants Goodes), where did anyone ever suggest we should have "someone subsidise this deal"?

[NMWBloods]

You are incorrect. He's from Horsham which when I last checked my map was in Victoria.

He's from Adelaide. He was recruited from Horsham/North Ballarat.

Those who dish it out should take it. I certainly have not been resorting to personal insults throughout this whole discussion. But I will not allow snide remarks to pass, if you are going to attack someone , attack on point of fact.

You were the one who called someone a twit - what was my "personal attack"?

I note also you steered well clear of defending your Carey comment!!

[robbieando]

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You are incorrect. He's from Horsham which when I last checked my map was in Victoria.
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He's from Adelaide. He was recruited from Horsham/North Ballarat.

Next he'll be saying that Daniel Wells is a West Australian. BTW if your knew the rules for State of Origin, you'll know that it was decided on where you first played Club Football (Junior or otherwise) after you turned 16 years of age. Adam Goodes was born in Adelaide, grow up in Adelaide and the family moved to Horsham when he was a teenager.

[robbieando]

Originally posted by neored
What precisely is your point? There are more than 1 player per club, and the overwhelming majority of players in the system are Victorian.

Her point is the better players come from Interstate the **** ones come from Victoria

[robbieando]

I wouldn't be questioning me on the history of the AFL. Thomas Wentworth Wills didn't invent the game, neither did " Coldy" Harrison. They came up with some general rules which applied when Xavier played Scots. Wentworth had a number of associates like Harrison who helped him along. If thats what you call inventing the game, then a few Scots can also possibly take the credit.

Except for the fact the official history of the AFL has a different point of view to you.

But the fact is the game wasn't anything like todays. The score ended one all. The game has evolved over many years, changes made. No one or two people can possibly take credit. The game has however been nurtured by 1 state throughout its history.

Bull****, so your saying South Australia had nothing to do with the game????

I think you should give yourself an uppercut and then take a Bex and lie down.

[liz]

Originally posted by robbieando
Her point is the better players come from Interstate the **** ones come from Victoria

LOL - wouldn't quite say that but it certainly is daft to suggest that "Victoria produces the talent". And if you don't like using recent Brownlow medallists as an illustration, you could look at the phantom Allies side posted by the AFL over the break, with names like Crawford, McLeod, Buckley, Voss, Williams, Michael, Hayes, Riewoldt, Akermanis, Richardson. The Allies may lack for depth but the named 22 would give any of the other sides a run for their money.

Sure, there are more Victorians running around in the AFL than players from any other state, but that just reflects the fact that there are more Victorians than South or West Australians, Territorians or Tasweigans, and that not many NSW or Queensland kids play. But all states have made a significant contribution to the playing stocks we are all privileged to watch play our wonderful game. Similarly all 16 clubs, based in 5 different states, contribute to a strong and vibrant NATIONAL competition.

Neo - I doubt whether anyone on this board believes Victoria isn't the cornerstone of the AFL, or that we could do without Victoria. What we do get totally fed up with though is the suggestion that, because of this, our club and those others not based in Victoria are somehow secondary to the Victorian clubs.

And your claim that the Sydney Swans are not a continuation of the proud tradition of the South Melbourne Swans is preposterous and insulting. Why don't you ask the view of the active past players association (which is predominantly Melbourne based) or players such as Bobby Skilton who actively support the club and its functions.

[omnipotent]

Sydney is important for the AFL but seriously Victoria would obviously be more vital for the people there are more genuinely footy people who follow through thick and thin. If Victorian structure fell apart it would be the death of footy. The other traditional footy states are important too but don't attract the same crowds.. Look at Port's finals last year. Victoria does produce by some way the highest % of players according to draft figures. Whether you like vics or not they're important. And I have posted before how I believe Sydney is a discrete club. South Melbourne is dead even though there will be still some memories until all the old supporters die off.

[Angelic Upstart]

Originally posted by omnipotent
South Melbourne is dead even though there will be still some memories until all the old supporters die off.

Unfortunately for you we keep procreating and introducing new generations of Vic-based Swans supporters. Sorry, but Sydney will have to share the club for a bit longer yet!

[robbieando]

Ditto, my kids and their kids will ALL support the Swans and all will be told about South Melbourne so waiting for them to die off isn't going to work. Like it or not its the same club and always will be otherwise Sydney have no right to the name "Swans" or colors red and white.

[footyhead]

Well don't you just love it when a thread you start takes off for a few pages ??!!
But I did not expect it to head quite in the direction it has.
I am very concernd with many of the issues raised.
I think the AFL is in grave danger of pissing off (either directley or indirectley) just about every body who follows football.

[neored]

Originally posted by lizz
LOL - wouldn't quite say that but it certainly is daft to suggest that "Victoria produces the talent". And if you don't like using recent Brownlow medallists as an illustration, you could look at the phantom Allies side posted by the AFL over the break, with names like Crawford, McLeod, Buckley, Voss, Williams, Michael, Hayes, Riewoldt, Akermanis, Richardson. The Allies may lack for depth but the named 22 would give any of the other sides a run for their money.

Any kid that can play AFL is obviously talented. By talent I was inferring to the broad player base, which is overwhelmingly Victorian.

Sure, there are more Victorians running around in the AFL than players from any other state, but that just reflects the fact that there are more Victorians than South or West Australians, Territorians or Tasweigans, and that not many NSW or Queensland kids play. But all states have made a significant contribution to the playing stocks we are all privileged to watch play our wonderful game. Similarly all 16 clubs, based in 5 different states, contribute to a strong and vibrant NATIONAL competition.

Of course every state contributes to the competition, I have never debated this point. My argument has being that Victoria is the heart of the competition.

Neo - I doubt whether anyone on this board believes Victoria isn't the cornerstone of the AFL, or that we could do without Victoria. What we do get totally fed up with though is the suggestion that, because of this, our club and those others not based in Victoria are somehow secondary to the Victorian clubs.

Really I hardly think anyone on this board is able to give an unbiased opinion. It seems that some on this board are compelled to continue down the path of undermining the central role that Victoria plays. The facts speak for themselves, despite the attempts by some to blur them.

And your claim that the Sydney Swans are not a continuation of the proud tradition of the South Melbourne Swans is preposterous and insulting. Why don't you ask the view of the active past players association (which is predominantly Melbourne based) or players such as Bobby Skilton who actively support the club and its functions.

I've already altered my view on this, but this is more of a personal view , and everyone is welcome to have a different opinion.

[neored]

Originally posted by robbieando
Next he'll be saying that Daniel Wells is a West Australian. BTW if your knew the rules for State of Origin, you'll know that it was decided on where you first played Club Football (Junior or otherwise) after you turned 16 years of age. Adam Goodes was born in Adelaide, grow up in Adelaide and the family moved to Horsham when he was a teenager.

Goodes played football in Victoria , therefore he is a Victorian Footballer.

Theres an article on sydneyswans.com.au that confirms it.

[neored]

Originally posted by omnipotent
Sydney is important for the AFL but seriously Victoria would obviously be more vital for the people there are more genuinely footy people who follow through thick and thin. If Victorian structure fell apart it would be the death of footy. The other traditional footy states are important too but don't attract the same crowds.. Look at Port's finals last year. Victoria does produce by some way the highest % of players according to draft figures. Whether you like vics or not they're important. And I have posted before how I believe Sydney is a discrete club. South Melbourne is dead even though there will be still some memories until all the old supporters die off.

Thank you for a very reasoned view, thats exactly what I've been discussing/arguing/shouting.