4 Blokes

[Syd Swan]

Re: 2 lossess and c what happens

Originally posted by GoBloods
2 lossess , one a good effort against a genuine top 4 finisher at their home ground and then an ordinary performance at home has really brought out the negative types and the critics.
the loss of jason ball cant be underestimated as our team lack height.
Our team have been sensational this year and there is a lot to like about sydney 2003, so lets all be positive and stop bagging the s..t out of our own players . It is a definite richmond syndrome when they lose richo, campbell, ottens cant play but when they win they are superstars.
some of you ( negative critics ) are probably the same people who booed our boys off the mcg after the 96 grand final. after our boys have given supporters the finest season of football in 50yrs

No-one is bagging the players, we are just discussing what we feel we need to take us to the next level. To do that the list has got to change. I for one have said all through this year and last, that I didn't think Mathews, Nicks and to a lesser extent Saddington(in a KPP) were up to it. As far as this year has gone, I couldn't be happier, as they have performed a lot better than I expected, but I now know we have the makings of a very good side, that just need a couple of players to top it off. To do that we have to get rid of a couple of players that have some value in the draft.

[Plugger46]

Re: 2 lossess and c what happens

Originally posted by GoBloods
2 lossess , one a good effort against a genuine top 4 finisher at their home ground and then an ordinary performance at home has really brought out the negative types and the critics.
the loss of jason ball cant be underestimated as our team lack height.
Our team have been sensational this year and there is a lot to like about sydney 2003, so lets all be positive and stop bagging the s..t out of our own players . It is a definite richmond syndrome when they lose richo, campbell, ottens cant play but when they win they are superstars.
some of you ( negative critics ) are probably the same people who booed our boys off the mcg after the 96 grand final. after our boys have given supporters the finest season of football in 50yrs

I don't recall anyone booing the players after the GF, if people were doing it, I definitetly wasn't one of them.

I haven't just started bagging these blokes, I have been doing it all year, with the exception of Fosdike.

[GoBloods]

4 blokes etc

i just mentioned that there are people here who r bagging the swans after 2 losses. which there is. i didnt mention any user names.If it struck a nerve with u plugger46, bad luck, u r obviously too sensative or maybe feeling a bit guilty for bagging our players.
and i sat adjacent to the ponsford stand at the 96 gf, not far from the player race. and there were quite a few so-called swans fans who booed and carried on at our boys as they left the arena. much to my disgust.

[footyhead]

Gobloods,
maybe we could start a seperate thread just for you and the those of like mind, who can just say nothing about the players except how wonderfully they have all played this year and what a terrible loss it is without Ball.
Meanwhile we will continue to discuss and "Baggout" (as you call it) whoever we want to on this board as we look to the future with a critical and excited hope.
If you should get board with your Retro vision and continaully chanting the praises of what the players have done in the past, and if you would like to live more in the present and be a part of the future of the club, then you could take off your blinkers and join in this discussion with a little constructive critizisim of ... whoever !!!

[GoBloods]

to mr footymouth...er footyhead

maybe we should start a new thread or pehaps website to those supporters who aren't negative, whingers,frustrated could have beens or baggers. it would be lovely to see happy people

[Syd Swan]

Re: to mr footymouth...er footyhead

Originally posted by GoBloods
maybe we should start a new thread or pehaps website to those supporters who aren't negative, whingers,frustrated could have beens or baggers. it would be lovely to see happy people

We are a happy bunch here. the fact still remains though, that if we don't change our list a bit next year we will only go backwards. No-one is bagging anyone, just simply voicing an opinion on who they feel may be expendable at years end, also I haven't read anywhere, were someone has said that they are dissapointed with this years performance.

[GoBloods]

to mr footyhead

my point is - whilst i can accept criticism of the players , i think too many people were happy to be negative and quick to bag them after 2 straight losses. it is not as if we are at crisis point and have lost 8 in a row or have had a season similar to richmond, or melbourne.
yes ,i am very happy with the way things have gone this year and perhaps more excited about the next few years. and jason ball is a terrible loss, as he was playing good football. do u disagree with that ? i
there is a time and place for criticism and healthy debate. my thoughts were that people were doing it at a drop of a hat
Alot of hard decisions will be made at the end of the season, delistings , tradings, draftings . it would be more appropriate then, perhaps, to be critical about who should go and why , rather than after rd 18

[sharpie]

For once, I will actually agree with Footyhead. This is an open forum for people to express their opinions.

Also, it is not just "at a drop of a hat" that we have started criticising the players. We were all singing their praises after the Adelaide game, as it appeared to be a great effort. But last week's game against Hawthorn showed that instead the Swans have some serious issues that need to be faced if we are to move forward and achieve the type of footy we were playing previously.

Therefore, it is within our rights to suggest what areas we believe need improving within the team.

[Syd Swan]

Re: to mr footyhead

Originally posted by GoBloods
my point is - whilst i can accept criticism of the players , i think too many people were happy to be negative and quick to bag them after 2 straight losses. it is not as if we are at crisis point and have lost 8 in a row or have had a season similar to richmond, or melbourne.
yes ,i am very happy with the way things have gone this year and perhaps more excited about the next few years. and jason ball is a terrible loss, as he was playing good football. do u disagree with that ? i
there is a time and place for criticism and healthy debate. my thoughts were that people were doing it at a drop of a hat
Alot of hard decisions will be made at the end of the season, delistings , tradings, draftings . it would be more appropriate then, perhaps, to be critical about who should go and why , rather than after rd 18

I see your point and agree that Ball was a huge loss, others on this forum are excited about the future as well, and that is exactly what they are talking about when the subject of trading players are raised. Not critisising, but looking forward to the future propects of the Swans.

[BAM_BAM]

Re: to mr footymouth...er footyhead

Originally posted by GoBloods
maybe we should start a new thread or pehaps website to those supporters who aren't negative, whingers,frustrated could have beens or baggers. it would be lovely to see happy people

and while we're there we can have a chat with the tooth fairy and the easter bunny.

I don't think we're sinking to the likes of some Richmond supporters who eat their own. These threads are from passionate and yes at times frustrated people expressing and venting their disappointment, and also their joy at how our beloved Bloods / Swans, whatever you like to call them, have performed.

Plugger46 has been expressing a similar if not the same view about certain players all season, not only as a result of a couple of losses. Perhaps it's more poignant at present because it is at such a critical stage of the season.

I don't believe in booing our players and I don't bag them, but I expect that they should be held accountable for their perfromances, to themselves and each other, but more importantly to us, their supporters. We're the ones who pay out our hard earnt money to go to the games and buy merchandise.

If even one of them read this sight and their games improves from it, then that's got to be a good thing.

I posted only yesterday that I am an enternal optimist and I always believe the best of people, but sometimes you need to remove the rose coloured glasses and call a spade a spade.

[Snowy]

I think the future is of paramount importance. The fact is we are not good enough to win this year's flag. While we have enjoyed winning games, sadly it has deprived us of an early draft pick which we needed. We have a few good young players, but no budding superstars who will take us the next step, we needed to select one at this year's draft. Our key defensive players are close to the worst in the competition and we lack quality height. If we don't recruit it, and we need to lose players to do that, a flag is a long way off. Sadly that is reality.

[Plugger46]

Originally posted by Snowy
I think the future is of paramount importance. The fact is we are not good enough to win this year's flag. While we have enjoyed winning games, sadly it has deprived us of an early draft pick which we needed. We have a few good young players, but no budding superstars who will take us the next step, we needed to select one at this year's draft. Our key defensive players are close to the worst in the competition and we lack quality height. If we don't recruit it, and we need to lose players to do that, a flag is a long way off. Sadly that is reality.

Schneider? - Has he not been good enough this year, to suggest that he will be an important part in taking us to the next step? He is a superstar in the making, for mine.

We have a good blend of youth and experience. The future is bright, as far as im concerned.

[Xie Shan]

This has been a pretty interesting thread. Yes, this is an open forum, and people are free to express their opinions on players. I do understand the comments here from those who don't agree with being negative and bagging players, but the reality is, after every loss I'm sure people will talk about how this player had a crap game and should be dropped etc because that's the nature of footy - we all get disappointed after a loss, and this was a particularly disappointing one given what was at stake and what they were playing for.

While this has been a great year for the Swans so far, there is clearly a long way to go especially in developing a team culture and attitude of being able to get up for matches like this and, as we've seen against lesser opposition like Carlton and St.Kilda this year, complacency is still a problem. Just think of it as all being part of the rebuilding process! The next three weeks will be a for the team, to see what they've learnt from the last two losses, and also a test for Roosy, who probably wouldn't have anticipated the problem of having to get the team up before the finals. If, by the end of the season, they have continued going backwards, then the complaints will be justified.

[DST]

Re: Re: to mr footymouth...er footyhead

Originally posted by Syd Swan
We are a happy bunch here. the fact still remains though, that if we don't change our list a bit next year we will only go backwards. No-one is bagging anyone, just simply voicing an opinion on who they feel may be expendable at years end, also I haven't read anywhere, were someone has said that they are dissapointed with this years performance.

But that is the crux of the situation, we know you are not bagging players but it is clearly not in the best interest of the club to clean out as many players as people are stating and certainly not the ones mentioned on this board.

What leads everyone to talk of players such as Fosdike, Saddington & Matthews is what will save them in the end. We all know they are frustrating and inconsistent but they can all play at the highest level and fill a role at the club at present.

With a very thin draft again this year, not alot of quality on the market in ready made players and with us already playing one player short I would be very surprised that we cut any further than the required at years end.

Roos already has a young list to work with and this will be topped up in the draft with the minimum amount of draft picks.

Players such as Nicks & Stevens will in all likleyhood be offered as trade bait, but will only be given up for the right KPP we so desperately need down back. It is not going to happen but Brent Stacker from West Coast for Stevens would be a trade most tempting.

DST

[liz]

Re: Re: Re: to mr footymouth...er footyhead

Originally posted by DST

With a very thin draft again this year, not alot of quality on the market in ready made players and with us already playing one player short I would be very surprised that we cut any further than the required at years end.

Possibly, but there is the rookie list factor to consider. We went in one player short but have promoted James. If the club thought he wasn't going to make it they wouldn't have promoted him at this stage of the season, and if we want him next year it will have to be back on the senior list. He's too old to be a rookie next year.

Of the other players, it would be surprising if Meikeljohn were not retained. Not sure whether he can spend another year as a rookie - he's obviously young enough but I have a feeling that rookies from ones own state are signed on a one year contract. Not sure if that is extendable or not.

McGlone is the other one who must come into consideration for promotion at the end of the year. He seems to have consistently been in the best players for the reserves and is coming to the end of his second year as a rookie (as an interstate rookie). Again, not sure whether the club is allowed to extend his rookie status, but I'd guess he'd nominate for the draft if the Swans didn't promote him.

So, with up to three possible promotions from the rookie list, the need to lose other players becomes more apparent. If all three were to be promoted, and assuming Cressa doesn't change his mind, that leaves 4 more players to be delisted or traded for draft picks to make room for the required minimum 3 picks at the national draft.

Frosty will probably be one of them. Warfe is another possible candidate, though I believe he is still contracted for another year. We supporters have seen too little of Hunt to have any idea of whether he's going to make it, though obviously the club will have a far better idea. The fact he is a KPP and still very young probably weigh in his favour. My guess is that Buchanan will struggle to keep his place on the list, and one can only wonder about Stevens and Ablett.