Rising Star presentation

[jixygirl]

It's a shame that Schneider polled low in the votes (he should have been awarded at least one votes from every judge). Sam Mitchell is a worthy winner and I'm very happy for him, but Schneider was definitely more consistent then the rest. Oh well, wait until the cup comes to Sydney this year. We'll forget about everything else that falls against, be it Rising Star, All Australian, Brownlow, etc. etc.

[TheHood]

I would have thought that the medal is awarded to the player who is most likely to be a "Star".

I did think Mitchell was great and a deserved winner, however AS should have polled better that say Polack.

AS was a cult figure almost instantly, played all 22 games, thrilled the crowd and looked like a "Star" in the making.

Rarely was he beaten in contests, kicked goals and influenced games regularly (did Polak and I missed it?).

[NMWBloods]

Some of you guys are sometimes so one-eyed it is ridiculous and it's embarrassing for suggestions that the "Melbourne Media Mafia" was the reason Schneider didn't win.

Mitchell was clearly the best youngster of the year. I saw Polak in a few games and he looked fantastic - a maturity that belied his young years and really stood up in a number of games against quality forwards. At 16ppg and only 2 games with <10, it's hard to say Ball didn't deserve his votes.

Schneider probably should have voted higher than Wells IMHO, but they were only a few apart and at the end of the day does it really matter whether he finished 4th or 5th?!? Maybe there's an argument that he should have finished closer to Ball too, but again, it doesn't really matter.

The key things are firstly that he was never going to win and secondly he is going to be a champion player for us.

[Sanecow]

I don't think the argument is whether Schneider should have won, but that he should have polled better than the other also-rans. It's like arguing that your team should have finished 3rd instead of 5th on the ladder, who really cares once the season's winner has proven themselves?

There can be only one!

[neored]

Originally posted by penga
neo, dont ya think schneider shouldve polled better?

i thought he shouldve been 3rd myself...

He might have, but aren't you being a little pedantic. Sure he could of had a vote here and there, but in the end the most consistant player won. And in any case people dont take notice of who finished 2nd or 3rd, its the winner who takes all the plaudits. I mean can you remember who came second in the 2000 Norwich Rising Star?

If you take a look at Schneiders stats he kicked 30 goals for the year which is ok for a small forward and very good for a first year player.

BUT
he never kicked more than 3 goals in a game and never had more than 20 possesions. I think his highest possession total was 16 or 17. He had a lot of games where he kicked 1 goal, and a few games in which he kicked multiple goals.

As I said he had a very good year, but I thought Wells was better as was Ball. After those three its really a toss up, again just my opinion.

[hardluck_harry]

Originally posted by neored

If you take a look at Schneiders stats he kicked 30 goals for the year which is ok for a small forward and very good for a first year player.

BUT
he never kicked more than 3 goals in a game and never had more than 20 possesions. I think his highest possession total was 16 or 17. He had a lot of games where he kicked 1 goal, and a few games in which he kicked multiple goals.

Probably helped set up around 20 goals too.

It's funny how much weight is put on possessions, personally I reckon 1 goal is the equivalent of 5 possessions. I suppose that's why everyone wants guys like Vossy, they get 30 touches and kicks 3-4 goals.

The thing with the voting it's just nice to see a youngster get the recognition they deserve. Maybe next year the 16 AFL club coaches can vote on the Rising Star similar to the way the players MVP award is done.

[penga]

Originally posted by neored
BUT
he never kicked more than 3 goals in a game and never had more than 20 possesions. I think his highest possession total was 16 or 17. He had a lot of games where he kicked 1 goal, and a few games in which he kicked multiple goals.

firstly, i think he kicked 3 goals against melbourne on anzac day, but thats a small point...

as far as possessions go in a swans side, 16 or 17, would be like 30-35 for a bulldogs player... its all about impact and not stats...

[neored]

Originally posted by penga
firstly, i think he kicked 3 goals against melbourne on anzac day, but thats a small point...

as far as possessions go in a swans side, 16 or 17, would be like 30-35 for a bulldogs player... its all about impact and not stats...

You should read my post a little more carefully, I said he never kicked MORE than 3 goals.

As for possessions, yes impact does count... but if a player only kicks one goal and gathers 15 touches then you can hardly claim that he's had a fantastic influence.

Schneider had a good year, but he wasn't the outstanding young player of the year, and there are others including Wells and Ball who many consider to have a greater future ahead of them.

[penga]

Originally posted by neored
As for possessions, yes impact does count... but if a player only kicks one goal and gathers 15 touches then you can hardly claim that he's had a fantastic influence.

Schneider had a good year, but he wasn't the outstanding young player of the year, and there are others including Wells and Ball who many consider to have a greater future ahead of them.

im not saying he shouldve won it, it makes it annoying as they dont tell us how it is actually judged upon , whether it be consistency or moments of brilliance, i just thought that he has had a greater impact on the game and the swans this year than what the rising star award gave him credit for...