Umpiring

[AussieAnge]

The free kick to Daryn Cresswell against the kangaroos DID result in a goal! I remember skipping out of the ground a very happy girl.
I also thought the free against Hall for holding the ball was a bit suss, as he was tackled as soon as he got the ball and there was definitely no prior. No point in dwelling on it though as it didn't impact on the result

[Diego]

Originally posted by ugg
Anyway on a lighter note, anyone recognise those 'hoons' shown on TV giving it to the umpires.

Oi!

Well I dont need to say how I feel about the umpiring on Saturday night.

How do umpires feel after they watch the error they have made? Like Lynchs slip?

[timbo]

goldspink can go have a goldwank

[j s]

Originally posted by floppinab
We just never get 'em in front of goal Lizz, like everybody else seems to.



Can't agree with you there either Lizz, looked pretty much like he did it "busting" style by locking it between his legs, umpie was definately unsighted but it bugs me that we don't get 50/50's like this but Cornes can grass a mark like he did in the Qualifying and the umpie will pay it even though he was also unsighted.

This still frame would seem conclusive

[anniswan]

I wonder why I was smiling in this shot

[j s]

Originally posted by anniswan
I wonder why I was smiling in this shot

So that was you with the black hair!

When you said you dyed it I thought you meant RED

[liz]

Originally posted by robbieando
Also the Schneider mark wasn't a mark, because you can't mark the ball between your legs

Says who? Surely so long as it doesn't touch the ground and the player controls it without it being touched by another, it's a mark. I've seen similar paid before.

However, its academic, as JS' picture demonstrates.

[anniswan]

Originally posted by j s
So that was you with the black hair!

When you said you dyed it I thought you meant RED

It is actually very dark red and is still causing me great grief, any chance of a clearer shot of us

[robbieando]

Originally posted by lizz
Says who? Surely so long as it doesn't touch the ground and the player controls it without it being touched by another, it's a mark. I've seen similar paid before.

However, its academic, as JS' picture demonstrates.

The rules Lizz. Remember you can't kick the ball to yourself and once it touches your leg its play on. Of course we don't see it called like this offen, but thats the rule

[liz]

On the subject of umpiring, I've just watched the "Ask the Umpire" segment on afl.com for the first time. Do they think the AFL audience are stoopid or something?

Eight minutes of discussing some of the least contentious umpiring decisions from the two prelims. What's the point of explaining to us why blatant free kicks were paid (eg Charman taking Goodes out of a rucking contest with an extended leg, and the 50m penalty against Schneiderman for thumping the ball over the boundary line).

Would have been far more interested in hearing Gieschen's view of those three soft pushes in the back that opened the game. Or even just give him an opportunity to confirm that sometimes umpires do make the odd mistake (ie the Lynch slip) and that is part and parcel of the game.

[cos789]

AS an umpire it's always difficult to say what if .BUT you've got to wonder some times .
The Lions received 1 free after half time against the Pies .All of a sudden the Lions are now getting the benefit of a succession of soft frees .Who knows .The Swans might have been prevented from getting on top in the first quarter .The crowd could have lifted them further .They could of been in front at the last break .Maybe.Maybe we would have have still been overtaken in the last quarter .It would've been better without this conjecture but all in all I think the Lions didn't need any help and good luck next week .

Technical points .All you have to do is catch the ball before it hits the ground .Doesn't say with what part of the body .
You're not allowed to kick outside the 10m. square,a grey area,usually taken as the anchor foot not going outside the line .His foot was ON the line (IN)

[robbieando]

Originally posted by cos789
Technical points .All you have to do is catch the ball before it hits the ground .Doesn't say with what part of the body.

Yes, that is true however it does say you can't kick it to yourself, so by the ball being cought with the legs before taking hold of the ball it is in fact no mark. But as Lizz said we see them paid all the time and there is no real reason why it shouldn't of been paid on Saturday Night. I suspect that the ump thought it hit the ground first and not the legs.

You're not allowed to kick outside the 10m. square,a grey area,usually taken as the anchor foot not going outside the line .His foot was ON the line (IN)

I might be wrong here, but I heard a few weeks back that your foot had to be in front of the line and not on it. The one on Saturday Night we have seen let go most of the time. It was a bad call

[cos789]

You could be right about the white line because that's what we heard on the audio from the umpire .In that case it could be a recent change that hasn't filtered down fully .However it goes against the established measure of "got to be fully over the line to be out/score"
Yes if hits the knee and below then it should be classified as "kicked" .But why be consistent .e.g.
Handball the ball to oneself and you haven't disposed of the ball .
Kick the ball to yourself and it's disposed of but if it goes more than 15m you can't mark the ball because you haven't disposed of the ball .
The fullback should be forced to dispose of the ball i.e. let it hit the turf before regaining possesion .
We've just had the throwing the ball thing where you can't throw the ball to dispose it ,but you could throw it up in the air(to be not in possesion when tackled) only to regain possesion and carry on .When can you legally throw the ball ?
When you bounce or kick ,but what happens if you don't complete the motion properly is that a throw ?

[peterh_oz]

Re: Umpiring

Originally posted by motorace_182
Okay, i generally try to stay clear of umpire bashing, but tonights performance was disgraceful. For what is supposed to be the 2nd biggest game of they year, we got Auskick standard umpiring. Things like the advantage rule andin the back were far too inconsistent. And when Goldspink pinged Tiger for stepping on the line, which i thought was ok, Chris Johnson and stepped totally outside the square 2minutes berfore it, he left the side in a wind up to a kick. And the bounce by one ump, the young one, must have been recalled because it was as good as a kick for the Lions
Also Lynch and Brown had missed marks handed to them by the boys in yellow. I would like to wish my luck to the team that successfully defeated us tonight, the umps

I am an umpire - have been for 15yrs. Have coached umpiring, and am a Life Member of our local Assoc because of my years of umpiring & being ex-ump-co-ordinator (which by the way covers half of Sydney and has spawned 3 current AFL senior list players plus others in the past and a couple of current under-age All-Aus players).

I say all that to preface what I am about to say, and to try to show that I'm no whinging for the sake of it. Those that sit near me will know that often, even frees against us (eg the 50m against Schneider for punching the ball OOB) I'll sit down & say "yep, correct decision" (although that one may be deemed inconsistent, but really its probably the first time for years that it's happened - a deliberate lazy time-wasting double-fister into the 10th row of a ball that is already WELL OOB).

Now - the "what I'm about to say": The umpires cost us about 5 goals last week. We lost by 7. It doesn't mean we would've lost by 2. We may still have lost by 4-5 because Bris would've digged deeper. We may have won by putting more scoreboard pressure on, earlier in the game. Who knows.

One thing I DO know tho - out of the 6 field umpires used last weekend - the 3 to be used in the GF ALL dd the Pies/Power game. So obviously the AFL ALSO agree that our lot had a shocker. All 3 of them. I rest my case.

[peterh_oz]

Originally posted by cos789
AS an umpire it's always difficult to say what if .BUT you've got to wonder some times .
The Lions received 1 free after half time against the Pies .All of a sudden the Lions are now getting the benefit of a succession of soft frees .Who knows .The Swans might have been prevented from getting on top in the first quarter .The crowd could have lifted them further .They could of been in front at the last break .Maybe.Maybe we would have have still been overtaken in the last quarter .It would've been better without this conjecture but all in all I think the Lions didn't need any help and good luck next week .

Technical points .All you have to do is catch the ball before it hits the ground .Doesn't say with what part of the body .
You're not allowed to kick outside the 10m. square,a grey area,usually taken as the anchor foot not going outside the line .His foot was ON the line (IN)

The foot that is not kicking must stay wholly within the line (kicking from a behind). If you touch the line it is a ball-up. Regarding kicking to yourself - the rule was changed this year that as long as you kick to yoursef you can then play on. Whereas in the past you had to kick to yourself BUT the ball must leave the square. The idea is - anything to speed up play and hinder the flooding etc.