Delistings/Retirements/Trading

[Roscoe]

I know its early on Sunday morning. I'm dissappointed we lost, but very proud of our efforts in 2003.

Now lets start the ball rolling.

RETIREMENTS
Cressa - a wonderful servant - fitting that Willo & ND were the "chairs"

I would like to see Brad Seymour retire with dignity. Again a great servant, but too many injuries. Mark Powell is ready to fill your shoes. he reminds me of a young "Snapper"

DELISTINGS

McPherson and Warfe - enough said on this board all year

The next 2 maybe delisted, but like Frosty & Rowan it would be good to get a trade for them.

NICKS will be 29 in 2004 and has a bad back. Would anyone want him .

BUCHANAN is way behind Schneids in the pecking order. Was injured a lot in 2003 but has alot of question marks about him.

TRADE

Our number one bait is STEVENS, and obviously the interested parties would be the 2 W.A. clubs

After last night I reckon ABLETT has secured his spot for 2004

[CureTheSane]

For me, I wouldn't miss

Warfe
McPherson
Nicks
Fosdike

With Cressa going, that's 5, which is a reasonable amount I think.

I want to keep Stevens.
Some here have mentioned Ablett as a delisting.
To be honest I bever knew much of him.
The games he played he did little, until the Post final, where I was impressed.
And last night I was impressed again.

[Craig]

I guess I wouldn't be sad to see Saddington traded. He is a skilled player but hasn't shown enough to be a key member of the team that will take the next step to premership success.

If we traded Saddo we would get something good in return. Not sure if anyone would want Fosdike, Nicks, Warfe, Frosty etc and if they did they would hardly give up a qualty player.

I reckon someone like Lucas would be a great trade for Saddo. He can play at both ends and has the size to match it with most.

[Roscoe]

I don't think that they will trade either Saddo or "muppet" Fosdike
unless the deal was really favourable - ie players plus picks and a block of flats plus Tasmania

But Roos said post game that he'd like to give all the players another chance next season , but you have to move forward and some tough decisions would have to be made

You look at what we need for next year and beyond and who is expendable

[Bear]

Originally posted by Craig
I reckon someone like Lucas would be a great trade for Saddo. He can play at both ends and has the size to match it with most.

That's wishful thinking!!

[Scottee]

Trading Stevens could be a big mistake, he has a lot of talent and will further fill out and mature next year. Besides, I think he has mor back line nouse than Saddington, who to me is a real headache with his form. Where do you play him?

Fosdike showed against Port that he is capable of being one of the prime movers in the side. His arm injury was sustained against Port and it was obviuos he was way off 100% last night.

Frosty and Warfe are definitly not part of the long term plan. No arguments there. Seymour could still come up though and he is a quality player.

I hate to say this but I don't think Heath James is going to make it. IMHO he is going to continue to have injury problems and is not so classy as to justify that risk.

Buchanan I think has been outshone by other players and we would be better off making room for a young tall or a medium sized mid-fielder/ruck rover.

Nicks, wel let's hope his back injuy can be overcome, otherwise I don't think he can be kept on the list.

I think that next year will be make or break for a number of the younger players, namely Powell, Hunt, Sunny, Ablett. The first three are very similar types of players (tallish and skinny) and not the type that we desperatley need unless they have heaps of talent. Hunt seems most likely to end up the biggest, but hasn't been given a crack yet so is hard to assess. IMHO the other two still have to prove themselves and have not done enought to feel safe.

I think the key to building a strong side is turnover. Eight or nine new players will be twice as likely to turn up new talent than four players.

Thewliss, MJ, Malceski and McVeigh Fixter and Dempster should step up next year to fill the void left by the departures. Let's hope they improve enough to keep up with this years effort.

I think it is going to be another 2 season's before we have the right team balance to go for the big one when you look at it realistically.

Next year will be a rebuilding year for sure.

[Craig]

Originally posted by Scottee
Trading Stevens could be a big mistake, he has a lot of talent and will further fill out and mature next year. Besides, I think he has mor back line nouse than Saddington, who to me is a real headache with his form. Where do you play him?

I hate to say this but I don't think Heath James is going to make it. IMHO he is going to continue to have injury problems and is not so classy as to justify that risk.

I think the key to building a strong side is turnover. Eight or nine new players will be twice as likely to turn up new talent than four players.

Thewliss, MJ, Malceski and McVeigh Fixter and Dempster should step up next year to fill the void left by the departures. Let's hope they improve enough to keep up with this years effort.

I think it is going to be another 2 season's before we have the right team balance to go for the big one when you look at it realistically.

Next year will be a rebuilding year for sure.

Agree with your coments re Heath James. Maybe he needs one more season (injury free) to see what he can do.

I don't think we are too far away from a premership. With Magic and Ball back we look a lot stronger. If we trade intellegently then we should get a valuable player that will make out list stronger.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Scottee
Trading Stevens could be a big mistake, he has a lot of talent and will further fill out and mature next year. Besides, I think he has mor back line nouse than Saddington, who to me is a real headache with his form. Where do you play him?

Saddo is a real issue. I think he has to redevelop himself as a tall winger, a la Rhys-Jones. He's a liability in the backline. Twice last night he tried to mark in front of a pack, the ball came the ground and Brisbane snared it. He doesn't seem to understand the concept of punching in defence, and that has been a fault of his throughout his career. He'd probably make a good HBF, but that would require putting Kennelly into the midfield, which is a possibility.

[Charlie]

IMO, discussion about McPherson and Warfe HAS to be academic by now. So that leaves the rest.

We have 36 players on our list, plus Cressa on the vet's list. Cressa is gone and we have no player eligible to go on it for at least another 2 years (Maxfield if he's still around). That means maximum of 38 on the list, but we'd want a spare spot I'd think.

Snapper is a tough one. Playing those two games may make the difference in his mind about whether to retire or not. I'm treating his spot as 50:50... his toughness will ensure he gets a spot if he wants it, but after so many injuires, does he want it?

With McPherson and Warfe gone, that gets us down to 34 (33 if Snapper quits). That means we don't HAVE to delist anyone else, because we've filled the mandatory 3 draft choices obligation. However, I'd suspect that Meiklejohn and James will both be promoted, so we'd need to get rid of two more at least to allow that to happen.

One of them would be Buchanan. It's a touch harsh, with his injuries and everything, but he's a long way behind Schneider, and also behind Powell, Fixter and Ablett in terms of pecking order for a spot in the 22 now. The best I could see happening for Amon is a rookie list spot.

The other one is contentious... it won't be a delisting. It'll come down to Fosdike, Saddington and Stevens as to whose traded... I think it will be Fosdike. He's probably worth a mid-20s draft pick, whilst Stevens wouldn't be, Saddo's value has depreciated because of his poor season and besides, they're both talls whilst Fosdike is a receiver... nothing wrong with that, but we have a fair few of them already.

So in the end, I reckon it will be McPherson, Warfe, Cresswell, Buchanan and Fosdike, with Snapper, Stevens and Saddington possibilities.

[BAM_BAM]

we discussed this on the way home last night and I agree with Roscoe's original posting. That's pretty much exactly how we saw it.

I'd love to see Heath given one more year. Stay injury free and prove his worth. Saddo, I think is far better as a flanker and with Craig Bolton stepping up as he has been, Saddo can be moved.

I was impressed with Pebbles play in the midfield last night and think he could be moved there allowing room for LRT to develop at CHF he played well last night against White.

Amon unfortunately has run out of time and Noggy played well in both finals. I think he's earnt another run at it.

I'm looking forward to Thewlis getting a go and hoping that Scott McGlone hangs around as the kid runs and runs

[midaro]

Just a couple of clarifications:

Saddington - signed a new contract this year, did he not? Therefore he cannot be traded under the "Heffernan rule".

Warfe - did he sign his current three year deal at the end of 2000 or 2001? He may not be able to be delisted without financial panalty.

[hammo]

I can't see any room for Matthew Nicks. For a player of his experience, he doesn't offer our side a whole lot. Better off giving someone like Ablett more opportunities.

Although Saddington has been disappointing he is a tall defender and we don't have many of those. Unless we can land a player like Lucus for him (which you'd have to say is very unlikely) I guess he'll stay on.

Nic Fosdike's game against Port showed what he's capable of and I don't see any reason to trade him.

Remember we really aren't that far off the pace and should only make changes which will strengthen the side.

This year's team does need to be rewarded for a great performance so why make wholesale changes to the list.

Finally, I am sure Roosey knows what he's doing and I trust him to make the right (and tough) decisions.

[gossipcom]

I think it'll be interesting whether they trade any of the people who are on the 11 leadership team which was headed by Stuey, Willo, Magic and Nicks.

I think the first three are safe it's Nicks which will be the question mark - plus at the age of 28 would they want to trade someone at that age when they could trade someone younger and have the chance of obtaining a better deal.

I suppose we'll find out in the next month or so which players will retire and the ones that will be delisted, etc.

Roos said in his post-match press conference last night that some tough decisions would have to be made.

[Reggi]

I hope the club has learnt the error of its was regards trading and picking up other clubs duds.

Nathan Brown Simon Garlick and Robert Murphy are at the airport - I hope we don't go for that clown Brown (or Murphy).

I hope the club puts a heap of effort into keeping O'Keefe one on one he is solid - and like players as Pike and Barnard he's born for finals.

Disappointed if we lost Stevens.

With Cresswell retired (and expecting Heath James to be on the list), my expectation is for Warfe & McPherson to be delisted.

I think we should let go of Nicks but they won't.

Amon Buchanon would be in trouble - could try and put him on the Rookie list.

From this year you'd think only Meiklejohn and Crawford would stay on the Rookie list.

I just pray to god we don't do anything really dumb like previous years - a la the suggested Lucas / Saddington deal. No live in hope "top up" players. Just develop from within.

[anne]

I think Saddington should stay but should not be expected to play as a tall defender - he would be better on a flank. Fosdike is a fast midfielder and we need more of them - not less. Warfe, McPherson, Buchanan and maybe Nicks might go. What about Doyle? I don't think he is worth keeping as he is always injured.I would love Hay or Polak to join the Swans.