Roos bad coaching?

[dendol]

Originally posted by nugget
Nico you say that playing unfit players would be absolute suicide and to a point I agree with you. However as a player it doesn't matter how much training you do there is no substitute for match fitness.

Even playing those under-done or unfit players for short periods would improve there fitness and would also have improved the balance of the side.

Sure there are more opportunities for this to occur but from a coaching point of view to play some of these so called unfit players for short periods would have provided a lot more guidance to our young guys.

We may still have been beaten but those young guys would gain more from learning from those that have been there before than from copping a hiding like that.

That must be the silliest thing I've heard this year. How can you say putting in unfit players would have been better than copping the hiding we saw?

I would take this 102 point belting anyday, if it meant our "unfit" players can gain the extra time needed to get themselves 100% right to play. This is a PRESEASON game! Everyone knows that playing at 80% fitness will increase your chances of further injury - and this probability of injury increases, the lower the level of fitness.

We came out of this game with 3 players injured - luckily they werent long term ones. If we had fielded players like Leo Barry (shoulder), Jason Ball (shoulder), Michael O?Loughlin (knee), Nick Davis (hamstring), Ben Mathews (ankle), Tadhg Kennelly (groin), to name a few, I am willing to bet my house that this thread would have been about "Roos Stupid Coaching" if there was a serious injury to one of those players.

I say rest them all again this week if they arent right. I'll be happy to take another 100 point hammering, even at the hands of Collingwood, if it meant that we had a full strength team for Round 1.

[sharp9]

Alright, then I'll answer directly. it was not bad coaching. He asked the question of certain players and the answer was ....not yet.

I reckon the key to the whole game plan was that fringe 22 players were expected to break even with their direct Carlton opponents. James and Fixter got injured early. McVeigh and Buchanan had solid games and broke even IMO. However the delivery from these two was not always up to much. The real problem was that Ablett, Sundqvist, Meiklejohn and LRT did not break even and, in essence, that was the ball game.

Most of the young players did about what was expected of them; ie they were OK (Bevan, Willoughby, Schmidt, Rogers, Potter) but they were never going to take up the slack if the 2nd and third year players weren't at least even with the Carlton midfield.

Hunt tried hard, but doesn't seem to have the skills required.
Don't forget that Malceski, McGlone and Thewlis weren't playing. They could possibly have added something.

Those four I've mentioned were expected to take this chance and run with it. The fact that they didn't messed up the whole game plan. It's funny, it almost seems to me that Kirk, Maxfield and Fosdike were not playing in this game. More to the point it wasn't really their game. They came on and contributed, but there was never any chance they would actually take the game by the scruff of the neck. Their brief was to support the middle tier players only (it seemed).

On a positive note, I did like the fact that Ablett and Sunny were getting down at the bottom of packs. But they have a tendency to try and be cute/perfect rather than MAKE SURE YOU FIRST AND FOREMOST TAKE POSSESSION OF THE FOOTY.

Two goals I can think of came directly from a young swan in the middle of the ground NOT PICKING THE BALL UP but attemting to make a quick grab and handpass to a running player. Just the smallest fumble and it's a Blue goal. Why don't they learn????

Fosdike did this an awful lot early last year and improved out of sight. Here's hoping.

I also reckon Bevan is going to be alright, as well as Rogers. Potter looks the part too, but they are a little off the level of say, Cooney or McCosky (who debuted for Eagles).

[Bron]

I think we should remember the weather forecast. It was forecast in the high 30s / low 40s for sunday. In retrospect, that didn't eventuate, however, I really think that was a risk.

My feeling was that it was worth playing those who needed to build game time for the H&A, but I was very very happy that Jude wasn't playing on sunday. At NSO, he was in everything and I was sure he was suffering from the heat when we saw him do warm ups in front of us. My personal opinion was that we needed to look after our core team.

The fact that Bazza copped an injury just reinforces it.

Whilst Heath needed the gametime, I was terrified when he went into the fray. He got hurt at NSO and then again this weekend. I feel he was trying to show he would go for things, and this possibly had him too enthusiastic.

An injury in the H&A is bad luck. An injury in the dopey Wiz cup is a total waste.

My take is that it doesn't hurt the youngsters to glimpse what real competition is like. They've come from young comps where they were probably the standout players. They need to understand that there is much greater application, diligence and skill required to get to the major league. If it's managed within the Club, it's not a bad thing to help set future targets.

[EMJ]

My reply is to agree with Sharp 9 - well written comments and agree with you on Rogers being okay.
Let everyone leave Roos alone - he is a good coach and certainly is looking after his players.

[dimelb]

I've just read the long quote from Roos in Robbie Ando's post earlier. It sets this discussion in the right frame. No, this was not bad coaching; yes, it is exactly what we need at this stage, to give as many of the young blokes a sniff of the ball as possible; no, we should not worry about the result.

[hardluck_harry]

Originally posted by Bron


Whilst Heath needed the gametime, I was terrified when he went into the fray. He got hurt at NSO and then again this weekend. I feel he was trying to show he would go for things, and this possibly had him too enthusiastic.

Felt sorry for Heath that he got hurt, but was really impressed the way he got hurt. If he attacks the ball like that all year, he's gonna put the heebee jeebees through a few opponents.

[sharp9]

Thanks, Janpa, I'm all warm fuzzy now.

[gloveski]

Roosy knows what he is doing.

He tried alot of youngters out and I am sure he would have been interested to see their attitudes and commitment when they are up against the odds its alright for youngsters to look a million bucks when the team is winning easy real character stands out when the chips are down. Maybe Roosy's plan was to see how the youngsters performed under the pump.

I'm sure a few of the young guys that struggled will know that they have to work harder and work on deficiencies or get swallowed up in the system that's the nature of the beast.

Another point to remeber is we have guys coming back from long term injuries + a few niggles why not give them another week or two to fully recover (exactly the same as they done last year). Watch the regular guys start coming in over the next few weeks.

All said and done it's good to see a coach throw young guys in the deep end I am sure a few in the long run will be greatfull for the oppurtinity and now will have a bigger idea of the commitment required to make it.

I have utter faith in Roosy the young guys can't develop without oppurtunity even if from time to time in meaningless pre season games we are on the end of a few rather large defeats. As they say Rome wasn't built in a day