Saddington's future needs defence

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Reggi
As I say, if you have a point make it, cause the only thing you have ever shown an aptitude for is gutless sniping.

You really are a nasty piece of work.

My points on Saddington have been made and that's all I was saying on this thread.

You started with the attacks, then complained that you were being abused, and then finished with another attack. I also always find it interesting how you state everything very matter of factly, with no room for error as you believe you are always correct...

[dendol]

can you feel the love tonight.. tonight....

comeon, we're on the same team. You both have valid points, but every third thread (read: Saddo thread) you guys are involved in degenerates into personal attacks. (I have a feeling one or both will post a reply telling me to @@@@ off)

Personally, I am a big fan of Saddo. He may not have had a good few games of late, so here's hoping that he can provide something different for us up forward or on the flanks. It does make sense though: the guy loves to go for marks, so stick him up foward!

[timthefish]

"We must move forward... not backwards, not to the side, not forwards, but always whirling, whirling, whirling towards freedom!"

[Reggi]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
You really are a nasty piece of work.

My points on Saddington have been made and that's all I was saying on this thread.

You started with the attacks, then complained that you were being abused, and then finished with another attack. I also always find it interesting how you state everything very matter of factly, with no room for error as you believe you are always correct...

In all the years the I have posted on Sydney boards, 4 or 5 years, rarely have I had a direct crack at people, very very rarely.

But when I posted the Saddington article, I did wonder if there was any low filth that would take enjoyment from his misfortune.

If I'd had any doubts they were made up then.

So let me say this, tis the easiest thing in the world to knock and pick. There are 30 people who can say this won't work, this is wrong, he's crap, for every single person, that can actually do anything and can put forward what they believe.

I am not talking about myself.

Tis easy to pick, all footballers have their faults, as Peter Jonas said and Paul Roos accepted, there became obsession with Goodes' faults, people failing to look at what he does, well rather than what he does poorly.

You're just an equivocator, cheap snipes then you dissappear, your 2nd post in this thread is testimony to that equivocation. That is I gather the culture of Bigfooty, unfortunately it has reared its ugly head here and gradually become the norm, tragicly for this board which used to be interesting, funny and informative, has gone that way.

Past 18 months 80%-90% of the time I have posted on this board is to defend players who are unfairly maligned, because someone has a beef, then the pack mentality forms.

For 'supporters' of a football club I find it quite sickening.

It used to be about the virtues of footballers, and the belief they would do it, but not now. Just easy, cheap sniping that can be defended.

And yep I think it's gutless.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by dendol
can you feel the love tonight.. tonight....

comeon, we're on the same team. You both have valid points, but every third thread (read: Saddo thread) you guys are involved in degenerates into personal attacks. (I have a feeling one or both will post a reply telling me to @@@@ off)

Personally, I am a big fan of Saddo. He may not have had a good few games of late, so here's hoping that he can provide something different for us up forward or on the flanks. It does make sense though: the guy loves to go for marks, so stick him up foward!

I have no interest in telling you to f-off or be involved in personal attacks, however whenever some players, particularly Saddo, are criticised some people take it personally and rise to his defence with ad hominem comments or attempts at ridicule.

I don't raise the Saddington issue in these threads, yet I have every right to comment and indeed most people seem to share the same view, except for a few who seem to believe their opinion is worth more than others.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Reggi
But when I posted the Saddington article, I did wonder if there was any low filth that would take enjoyment from his misfortune.

If I'd had any doubts they were made up then.

"Low filth" - ha you crack me up!!

Wasn't taking pleasure from his poor performance you poor deluded genius, I was enjoying that Roos is saying what a few of us have been saying yet have been ridiculed and attacked for saying so. I've said many times before I'd like to see Saddington perform well.

So let me say this, tis the easiest thing in the world to knock and pick. There are 30 people who can say this won't work, this is wrong, he's crap, for every single person, that can actually do anything and can put forward what they believe.

I have put forward things that I think will work, as have others. We believe that Saddington can do better in a different position and we have said why. I don't see why this is such a crime.

You're just an equivocator, cheap snipes then you dissappear, your 2nd post in this thread is testimony to that equivocation.

Cheap snipes and disappearing? You must be kidding. The second post shows that I am backing up my opinion and not runnign away.

I fail to see why my language is equivocal - I'm quite clear what I mean and have no intention to mislead. I have stated what I think is wrong with his play, what I would like to see done to fix it, where I would like to see him play, and how I would like to see him improve.

That is I gather the culture of Bigfooty, unfortunately it has reared its ugly head here and gradually become the norm, tragicly for this board which used to be interesting, funny and informative, has gone that way.

Maybe people should stop being so reactrionary if someone wants to criticse a player.

It used to be about the virtues of footballers, and the belief they would do it, but not now. Just easy, cheap sniping that can be defended.

And yep I think it's gutless.

I fail to see how me observing someone's poor performance and providing some examples is either cheap sniping or gutless.

Then again, it seems from you name calling that anything or anyone you disagree with is an hysterical idiot.

[Captain]

Fact is no one ever called for Saddo's head.

All of the posts were basically arguing over where he should be played CHB v elsewhere.

The concept of gutless sniping...what the?? People are passionate about our club and to be criticised for putting forward comments is a joke.

[sharp9]

Now, boys, that's enough. I'll sort this out once and for all

Drop your trousers and line up next to this little ruler.....

[Triple B]

Ah Captain, I see youve decided to rejoin the thread.

No mention of the fact that you goosed yourself with your attack on Reggi because you misread his post.

Didn't think you'd be up for an apology.

[monopoly19]

The only positive thing to come out of this thread is that I've realised that Reggi is actually a man. All this time I've been thinking he was a she.

[caj23]

LOL monopoly19 - I was thinking exactly the same thing

[Rob-bloods]

Originally posted by monopoly19
The only positive thing to come out of this thread is that I've realised that Reggi is actually a man. All this time I've been thinking he was a she.

Finally I agree with a post on this thread......I too thought Reggi was female! No offence intended, what's in a name?

[Reggi]

Originally posted by Captain
Fact is no one ever called for Saddo's head.

All of the posts were basically arguing over where he should be played CHB v elsewhere.

The concept of gutless sniping...what the?? People are passionate about our club and to be criticised for putting forward comments is a joke.

1 Yes they have

2 No they weren't, at the begining of the debate we were informed that C Bolton was a better player than Saddington, been more positions on this than the Karma Sutra. Fence sitting at best, constant equivocation

Cause we get comments of such great incisive meaning as this one

I asked you if Saddo was a great defender - I don't think he is. I never said he hasn't played good football, I simply said he hasn't played great football and hasn't played good defensive football regularly. I also said I don't think he's played as well as either Bolton or Schauble in the key positions in the back line.

Followed by this

I have no problems perservering with him, as I have said before. I think he has a long way to go to be a really good CHB, and the lack of experience in that position is maybe some excuse, however other players don't need that excuse, and in some ways I think it's a bit of a stretch. I think he needs to do a lot of work on his defensive play.

This is hardly passion.

There is no other way I could possibly describe it but gutless equivocation. Got no problem with people having a different arguement to myself- in fact most people have mixed me with Steve. But I am being accused of disagreeing with people who keep putting up half arsed statements as the ones above.

Having been too gutless to make clear statements, then they take great joy in the misfortune of others. Or take whatever opportunity to have a snipe

Doubtless to say it reflects poorly on the writer. Tis the easiest thing in the world to equivocate on all and lay claim to be right.

I also gotta say I take objection to being told I made statements that I never did.

Call me old fashioned but I call that lying.

[NMWBloods]

1 Yes they have

Perhaps you should specifically say who has called for him to be cut.

2 No they weren't, at the begining of the debate we were informed that C Bolton was a better player than Saddington, been more positions on this than the Karma Sutra. Fence sitting at best, constant equivocation

Bolton has done a better job in a key defensive position than Saddington.

Cause we get comments of such great incisive meaning as this one

Let's break it down for you...

I asked you if Saddo was a great defender - I don't think he is.

The writer doesn't view Saddington as a great defender.

I never said he hasn't played good football,

They don't think he's not a good player...

I simply said he hasn't played great football

Just not a great player so far...

and hasn't played good defensive football regularly.

Particularly as far as the defensive side goes.

I also said I don't think he's played as well as either Bolton or Schauble in the key positions in the back line.

The other two players have performed better in KP.

Followed by this

I have no problems perservering with him, as I have said before.

The writer doesn't think he is a bad player, and has potential...

I think he has a long way to go to be a really good CHB,

however hasn't really performed that well as a CHB.

and the lack of experience in that position is maybe some excuse,

This is an excuse that was trotted out a few times. However it's an interesting excuse as some on the pro-Saddo side say that he has not had enough experience at CHB and others say he has already done a great job at CHB. Hmmm... Anyway, it was being acknowledged as a possibility...

however other players don't need that excuse,

Pretty self explanatory.

and in some ways I think it's a bit of a stretch.

The writer doesn't think it is a reasonable excuse though.

I think he needs to do a lot of work on his defensive play.

The key point again being addressed.

This is hardly passion.

No, it's simple analysis. It's a view and presenting some ideas behind it.


There is no other way I could possibly describe it but gutless equivocation. Got no problem with people having a different arguement to myself- in fact most people have mixed me with Steve. But I am being accused of disagreeing with people who keep putting up half arsed statements as the ones above.

Maybe you should learn to parse sentences.

Having been too gutless to make clear statements, then they take great joy in the misfortune of others.

And you continue to ignore what you choose to!!

Or take whatever opportunity to have a snipe

Hi Pot!!


Doubtless to say it reflects poorly on the writer. Tis the easiest thing in the world to equivocate on all and lay claim to be right.

Or perhaps everyone should be more like you where you state your view matter-of-factly as if it is always correct, there are no other possible views, and anyone disagreeing is "speaking crap" or "speaking ****" or just making "dumb comments." Charming...

I also gotta say I take objection to being told I made statements that I never did.

Call me old fashioned but I call that lying.

Who is not being clear now?

Referring to Nick Davis comments perhaps?

Here's a reminder if so:

"He ain't that talented - he's behind plenty of players on our list for talent"

"Can't see it - the more I think about it the sillier it sounds."

You nevertheless remain a charming and intellectual man, with superb written skills!

[Steve]

Can someone summarise again for me the criticisms of Saddington's defensive play - maybe it's just me but I think it's become a bit blurry.

Am I right in saying it is:

• lack of body strength and/or abililty to out-body key forwards
• propensity to attempt a mark rather than the spoil

Trying to debate this issue on its merits again, I would suggest that Saddo makes the above look worse than other defenders do by actually making it to so many contests.

What is better - being beaten body-on-body with Pike on a couple of occassions or being 10m behind Neitz on the lead 9 times a la Gaspar?

At the end of the day this criticising players thing works both ways - we have people who on the one hand refuse to admit they erred in judgement on players like J.Bolton and Goodes by saying 'all I said was he was struggling but I never said he couldn't improve, but then on the other hand expect a 'I'm sorry you were right I was wrong, I can't believe I doubted you, I don't know what I was thinking, it will never happen again, I'm such an idiot' response when they think they've been vindicated.

A while ago this was left at 'let's agree to disagree' on whether he could/would/should play CHB. But I can perfectly u/s Reggi's response and disappointment in seeing what came across to me as well as pleasure in the (perceived) poor form of a Sydney player. Whether it was pleasure in feeling vindicated or otherwise, it came across poorly IMO.