Telstra Stadium

[Damien]

Originally posted by Bart
what money to the AFL ?

Yeah that was going to be my question also....what money is the AFL's from our home fixture?

[robbieando]

Originally posted by Damien
Yeah that was going to be my question also....what money is the AFL's from our home fixture?

The money from the ticket sales for the Brisbane final went to the AFL not the Swans. But thats the case at every final. For home and away matches we get all the profits. Also with the brake even figure the AFL also help with some of the costs so if we did lose money on the game, it would be no where near the figure quoted above.

[Mark]

This is old, old ground.

No i am not the Swans accountant so it is not how a P/l is calculated

If you are, or are privy to the Swans accounts please feel free to disclose actual figure for this game based on expected ?

Yes it was a simplistic assesment, if you have greater detail, again, i am happy to learn ?

Closure of parts of the stadium has reduced costs, the initial break even figure prior to this and pre match initiatives was 55,000 !

I await your accounting genius !

[Captain]

Originally posted by Mark
This is old, old ground.

No i am not the Swans accountant so it is not how a P/l is calculated

If you are, or are privy to the Swans accounts please feel free to disclose actual figure for this game based on expected ?

Yes it was a simplistic assesment, if you have greater detail, again, i am happy to learn ?

Closure of parts of the stadium has reduced costs, the initial break even figure prior to this and pre match initiatives was 55,000 !

I await your accounting genius !

Other factors must be considered. For example, first time goers that would come to more games, food/beverage sales, the break even crowd figure at the scg etc

It is an extremely complicated process to calculate the so called profit (or loss) from hosting games either at the scg or SA.

[Mark]

"It is an extremely complicated process to calculate the so called profit (or loss) from hosting games either at the scg or SA"

No it is not, the club have stated again and again the break even figure is 45,000

Anything less than that and they lose money !

Actual loss figure is open for conjecture, the figure i quoted was just a rough estimation. Last year the projected (yearly) loss prior to the Collingwood game was just under 1million.The club stated in the press this was almost entirely due to the venture to stad oz !. What people also fail to realise or just ignore is that despite the bumper pies crowd we still lost money last year on stad oz !

Do you think my figure is that far out ?

And Liz, obviously not sure of this, but would assume when the 45,000 was released it included some rough estimation of average numbers of paid up members actually fronting at stad oz. Wouldnt you ?

[Triple B]

BBB, if you do have issues with anything either I or Robbie and said here, please send me a private message to resolve it once and for all. The same goes for you Gunn.

This is part of the post I have issues with. Do I really need to PM you?

You post it on the board, I'll reply on the board.

I have to say one thing in all honesty. I purely and simply hate the West Sydney Razorbacks. Just thinking about them brings me to boiling point. Even more than I hate Collingwood, Dortmund, or even Sydney United. At matches that intense hatred comes out. Once I see an unwashed maggot in a Razorhacks singlet, the abuse flows. That club is for the the unwashed, and sponsored by the free-loving good time Bulldogs as well. The Razorbacks are the lowest of the low. Pure plebs, both on and off the court

or this gem

At Game 3 my passion for the Kings grew to new lengths. With the Purples losing in OT, the feelings of hatred and dispair felt by us in the Baseline Bums were too great to describe. Especially as the Simon Dwight Stand stood in the Ent Cent 'airport lounge' and sang at us all. I needed 5 drinks to calm my feelings of pure hate down. The Razor pleb in the grotty trackpants behind me who got out his hankie for me to supposedly cry into at the end of the game is very very lucky he has teeth now. I was so close to hitting him, it wasn't funny.

'Pure hate' 'Close to hitting him' 'Lucky he has teeth' Must be one hell of a handbag you've got there.

Get a grip.

[Bear]

Originally posted by Mark
This is old, old ground.

No i am not the Swans accountant so it is not how a P/l is calculated

If you are, or are privy to the Swans accounts please feel free to disclose actual figure for this game based on expected ?

Yes it was a simplistic assesment, if you have greater detail, again, i am happy to learn ?

Closure of parts of the stadium has reduced costs, the initial break even figure prior to this and pre match initiatives was 55,000 !

I await your accounting genius!

Given I have a degree in accountancy and have worked as a chartered accountant I probably do know a little more about calculating P/L than you. Either way, I was not claiming to know exactly how the P/L is calculated (as you were). I was simply highlighting how absurd your argument is, just in case others on the board may actually think you knew what you were talking about.

Why bother arguing the point anyway? The club is taking in all of the pros and cons of playing at Telstra, and making a long term committment to play there. It is clearly in the best interests of our club - how else are we to significantly grow our supporter base and long term revenue streams?

FYI, playing in front of bigger crowds means sponsors pay bigger dollars in future years. Growing membership base means more revenue. Need I go on?? So much more involved than a simple one-off P/L at one game... but some are not informed on the issues and hence just talk crap.

Also FYI, we made $.5 million on the Collingwood game last year (alone). Therefore your statement that:

"We only make money at the SCG and lose lots and lots and lots at the Western farce!"

... is more rubbish.

If you feel strongly enough about it (because I don't), and you would like details on exactly how the P/L is calculated for individual games, ring 02 9339 9123, and ask for the CFO.

[Mark]

Suddenly you dont feel strongly about it !

Really, but still felt it necessary to bore me with qualifications !

If you read my original post you will note that at no point did i state it was a p/l figure. You made that judgement i believe in a pious "what would he know, im the only accountant here" way.

If you are looking for a job i suggest you post your CV on the appropriate site not on here !

I thank you for all your vast knowledge on how to grow emerging markets i was very very impressed. Bigger exposure = bigger advertising revenue, really geez you should let other people in on that one, sounds like it could be a winner ! Obviously your academic sucess was in no small part due to your original thinking !

I am not an original thinker like yourself, so may be missing something, but i was under the impression the best way to keep growing was by staying financialy viable ? happy to learn this is wrong

Also Very interested in

"Also FYI, we made $.5 million on the Collingwood game last year (alone)"

Really, remind me where you got this from ?

[NMWBloods]

Cutting through all the animosity, Mark's approximate calculation of the loss on the Anzac game, if the breakeven is 45,000, seems reasonable (and I won't go through my qualifications!!). Of course, there may be other factors involved, but it'd be pretty amazing if they wiped out most of that loss estimate.

Seems to make sense that this game is played at the SCG or somehow the hype and promotion is increased. Given that Essendon and Collingwood can managed over 50,000 we should be able to get something closer this with Melbourne. How many of the big crowd for Ess/Coll are actually supporters of those clubs? Do they really get 15,000+ travelling?

Not sure playing at TS with <40,000 really helps with our long-term plans.

BTW - it's amazing how different topics this thread has covered!!

[bricon]

Originally posted by Bear
Given I have a degree in accountancy and have worked as a chartered accountant I probably do know a little more about calculating P/L than you.

Yeh, it's real rocket science ain't it?

Deduct the costs from the income and the difference is a profit/loss.

[Bear]

Originally posted by Mark
Suddenly you dont feel strongly about it !

Really, but still felt it necessary to bore me with qualifications !

If you read my original post you will note that at no point did i state it was a p/l figure. You made that judgement i believe in a pious "what would he know, im the only accountant here" way.

If you are looking for a job i suggest you post your CV on the appropriate site not on here !

I thank you for all your vast knowledge on how to grow emerging markets i was very very impressed. Bigger exposure = bigger advertising revenue, really geez you should let other people in on that one, sounds like it could be a winner ! Obviously your academic sucess was in no small part due to your original thinking !

I am not an original thinker like yourself, so may be missing something, but i was under the impression the best way to keep growing was by staying financialy viable ? happy to learn this is wrong

Also Very interested in

"Also FYI, we made $.5 million on the Collingwood game last year (alone)"

Really, remind me where you got this from ?

I thought "I await your accounting genius !" was an invitation to give you my accounting quals, so sorry if I bored you.

Still waiting for you to come up with something that supports your argument though. It seems you would rather divert the topic to job applications!! Good to see you are finally starting to understand the bigger picture re larger crowd sizes, etc on the Swans overall P/L though.

...and I think you need to read your original post... i.e. the "SWANS LOSE $ 240,000 !!!!!!!!!!" bit. My degree in English Literature tells me that 'loss' is a variation of 'lose'.

BTW, are you serious that you did not know about the injection of funds that the Collingwood game presented?? ...and that this was the main reason the Swans made an operating profit last year.

Says it all really.

[Bear]

Originally posted by bricon
Yeh, it's real rocket science ain't it?

Deduct the costs from the income and the difference is a profit/loss.

You've passed ACC 01. Well done.

[Mark]

Notice you chose to ignore so i will repeat

"If you read my original post you will note that at no point did i state it was a p/l figure"

Presumably your current job is clouding your judgement ?

You also seem to be privy to the Sydney Swans "published" or even "unpublished" accounts and as such can make comments such as;

"BTW, are you serious that you did not know about the injection of funds that the Collingwood game presented?? ...and that this was the main reason the Swans made an operating profit last year"

Love to know how you got these, just for the less well educated amongst us ?

[Bear]

Originally posted by Mark
Notice you chose to ignore so i will repeat

"If you read my original post you will note that at no point did i state it was a p/l figure"

Presumably your current job is clouding your judgement ?

You also seem to be privy to the Sydney Swans "published" or even "unpublished" accounts and as such can make comments such as;

"BTW, are you serious that you did not know about the injection of funds that the Collingwood game presented?? ...and that this was the main reason the Swans made an operating profit last year"

Love to know how you got these, just for the less well educated amongst us ?

What job?? I am studying for a degree in Rocket Science.

BTW, did you actually read my post? The bit about where you said 'lose' which I understand to be a variation of 'loss'?

Stop now, you are embarrassing yourself. Taxi.....

[Mark]

"The bit about where you said 'lose' which I understand to be a variation of 'loss'?

Errr kind of my point, but anyway thought you did not care about this ?


You also seem to be privy to the Sydney Swans "published" or even "unpublished" accounts and as such can make comments such as;

"BTW, are you serious that you did not know about the injection of funds that the Collingwood game presented?? ...and that this was the main reason the Swans made an operating profit last year"

STILL WAITING