JUDE BOLTON...superstar?

[Bron]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
BTW though - I still don't think footballers should be paid that much - I don't think the industry can afford to do so on a long-term basis.

And my dearly beloved husband doesn't think that the IT industry bods should be paid that much either (same concept, different industry) .... (which I think was part of my first post) .... but whilst we're not paying the $$ ourselves, there's not a lot "we" can do except boycott the games - and I don't think that will achieve anything apart from giving withdrawal symptoms which I personally don't want to participate in ... so I go back to "get over it" and worry about what I have a hope of changing.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Bron
And my dearly beloved husband doesn't think that the IT industry bods should be paid that much either (same concept, different industry) .... (which I think was part of my first post) .... but whilst we're not paying the $$ ourselves, there's not a lot "we" can do except boycott the games - and I don't think that will achieve anything apart from giving withdrawal symptoms which I personally don't want to participate in ... so I go back to "get over it" and worry about what I have a hope of changing.

I agree we can't change it, and I wouldn't dream of even attempting to do so. Just the occasional whinge or observation of the ridiculous pay in the industry and then focus on the real stuff.

Just one point of difference though, if sales people are making that sort of money, there is probably a lot of commission in it, so they sort of pay for themselves. The same in investment banking where $300K is barely the bonus cheque for some, but again it's only done if the money has already been made.

The contract and salary arrangements for footballers makes the viability of a number of clubs in the AFL rather tenuous.

[chammond]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Just one point of difference though, if sales people are making that sort of money, there is probably a lot of commission in it, so they sort of pay for themselves. The same in investment banking where $300K is barely the bonus cheque for some, but again it's only done if the money has already been made.

The contract and salary arrangements for footballers makes the viability of a number of clubs in the AFL rather tenuous.

But surely footballers are entitled to take as much as the market can bear?

These things tend to be self-regulating . . . individuals might be able to grab a larger piece of the pie in the short term (which presumably is the argument re Bolton J), but in a macro sense if the players are being paid too much then there will be a correction in the market, as there was in European soccer two seasons ago.

Seeing as the AFL is prospering significantly at present, it suggests that the players are probably undervalued rather than the opposite?

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by chammond
These things tend to be self-regulating . . . individuals might be able to grab a larger piece of the pie in the short term (which presumably is the argument re Bolton J), but in a macro sense if the players are being paid too much then there will be a correction in the market, as there was in European soccer two seasons ago.

Seeing as the AFL is prospering significantly at present, it suggests that the players are probably undervalued rather than the opposite?

Not really sure how much the AFL is prospering, but a number of clubs are certainly struggling to keep going.

Given the floor on salary caps as well the cap itself, it won't really be self-regulating because of the artificial constraints.

[swansrule100]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Adjust for the fact that he probably wouldn't be in the stating 18 for Brisbane.

Midfielder-type players better than J Bolton now:

A McLeod
M Ricciuto
J Akermanis
S Black
N Lappin
C Johnson
T Notting
L Power
B Scott
M Voss
S Hart
S Camporeale
N Stevens
N Buckley
S Burns
J Hird
A McPhee
D Rioli
M Johnson
J Johnson
P Hasleby
P Bell
C Ling
S Crawford
S Mitchell
A Simpson
S Grant
B Harvey
A Yze
P Burgoyne
M Coughlan
N Brown
L Hayes
R Harvey
L Ball
C Judd
B Cousins
D Kerr
C Fletcher
R Smith
S West
B Johnson

Some of those are perhaps arguable, but that is 42 midfielder types, most of whom are better.

id cut a lot from that leaving IMHO these as equal too or better

A McLeod
M Ricciuto
J Akermanis
S Black
N Lappin
M Voss
N Stevens
N Buckley
J Hird
J Johnson
P Hasleby
P Bell
S Crawford
A Simpson
S Grant
A Yze
P Burgoyne
N Brown
L Hayes
R Harvey
C Judd
B Cousins
S West


i think most supporters from other teams rate jude higher than some swans fans

[NMWBloods]

I can't believe you left out C Johnson, Power, Camporeale, Burns, Ling, Mitchell, Harvey, and B Johnson to name a few.

[swansrule100]

well ill take one of those

i could see arguements for and against most of the list... and could see where there would be debate

but sam mitchell is in no way a better play than jude bolton at the moment... one day maybe but right now hes not that good and i know u might have some stat to show me that shows he gets more of the ball but i just dont think he does half as much as jude.

I will however admit that i am biasd and think judes great... there are other players at the swans underperforming more than jude ever does.

just my opinion though sorry if i offended you

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by swansrule100
just my opinion though sorry if i offended you

No offence at all - always happy to have a debate and it's fine for people to disagree.

[swansrule100]

cool....cheers mate

would jude be in the top 5 swans u reckon?

[penga]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I can't believe you left out ... Power...

that is crazy talk!

[Captain]

Power at the moment is a significantly better player than Jude. Let's hope that starts to change soon.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by penga
that is crazy talk!

You think Bolton is better than Power?

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by swansrule100
would jude be in the top 5 swans u reckon?

Now?

Probably not.

In terms of importance to the side or ability as it is today, I'd say:

- Hall
- Goodes
- O'Loughlin
- Kirk
- Ball
- Barry
- Schauble
- Williams
- J Bolton

So top 10, but there is a bit of a crowd around that spot - Davis, Mathews, Crouch, Maxfield, Kennelly, C Bolton.

[swansrule100]

i think the last month judes moved up the list he is leading the AFL in contested posessions in the last month

[Damien]

My big concern is whether all clubs can afford it.

If clubs die because of over spending OR from becoming non competitive for a long period, it will have a huge affect on the competition.

I think the players are over paid, the salary cap is sometimes more than half of what most low performing clubs can generate each year.

The problem is that too many people look at the record TV deal etc and say the players are just getting their piece of the pie, when in reality it is not as if each year the AFL hand out exactly 1/16th of revenue to each club. A lot of money is spent Admin, advertisingm, junior development etc the list goes on.