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  • NMWBloods
    Taking Refuge!!
    • Jan 2003
    • 15819

    #31
    Saddington is a handy option around the ground, as I've said before, although does it make sense to have a player in the side who is not quite as good as other players at securing a specific spot in the side, but is in there to fill gaps. I think this option is useful, but I'd rather it came from a player who could hold down a specific spot. For example - Leppitsch - holds down CHB, but can play CHF. Bradshaw - is a flexible option, but can comfortably hold down a key forward or defensive role on a permanent basis.
    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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    • cressakel
      On the Rookie List
      • May 2004
      • 455

      #32
      Originally posted by NMWBloods
      [B]According to AFL records Buchanan is taller than all three. Do you have something better to go on?

      [B]

      Oh well - we'll see whether he stays.

      [B]

      Buchanan is meant to be 180cm which seems too tall, but I'd guess he'd be about 175cm.

      As for rude, I think throwing comments in like 'stupid call' and 'ridiculous comment' is unnecessarily rude in a discussion.



      I'm not so right. I haven't said you're wrong - I just disagree with some of your point. I'm simply having a view.
      Unless Buchanan has grown 15 centimetres since the TOTC night, he is definitely not 180cm or even 175cm.

      I am 180cm and he was at least 15-20cm shorter than me. Buchanan was driving Kenny Williams home on the night and they were roughly the same height.

      I sincerely hope that Buchanan does stay on the Swans list for many years to come, but unfortunately the only role I can see Buchanan filling is in a negating role, whereby unfortunately for Buchanan we already have Kirky, Crouch and Matthews - although Matthews is trade bait potential.
      Well somebody told me, You had a boyfriend, Who looks like a girlfriend,That I had in February of last year, It's not confidential, I've got potential

      Somebody told me, The Killers, Hot Fuss, 2004.

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      • Barry Schneider
        On the Rookie List
        • Sep 2003
        • 530

        #33
        I 'll disagree with you Cressakel about Buchanan's role in the team.To me he looks quite creative in the midfield when he was played there.He is pretty tough too so I think an in and under player with a slick handpass is his go.Injuries have prevented him from showing his worth.Although he and Schneider look the same I think Schneider is not as tough and would prefer the ball being given to him than putting his head amongst it.Schneider when fit(hamstring and aerobically) looks like he could be a really penetrating midfielder with a burst of speed to create space and a decent kick.

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        • BAM_BAM
          Support Staff
          • Jun 2003
          • 1820

          #34
          I've put on my spray jacket in anticipation of the tirade of abuse I'll receive, but I can't wait for the day that people realise just how much Mathews is worth to us. Trade bait indeed!
          Here's my heart and you can break it
          I need some release, release, release
          We need
          Love and peace

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          • sharp9
            Senior Player
            • Jan 2003
            • 2508

            #35
            Originally posted by cressakel
            I sincerely hope that Buchanan does stay on the Swans list for many years to come, but unfortunately the only role I can see Buchanan filling is in a negating role, whereby unfortunately for Buchanan we already have Kirky, Crouch and Matthews - although Matthews is trade bait potential.
            Do you even watch the Swans play? Buchanan would be our NUMBER ONE player at getting the ball cleanly out of packs (a la Sam Mitchell). He is better at this than any other player on our list (who has played senior footy.

            Suggesting he only has a future as a negator is, perhaps, the most ignorant comment made on this board in the last few weeks.

            Did you see the Hawthorn game? What's wrong with you?
            "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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            • sharp9
              Senior Player
              • Jan 2003
              • 2508

              #36
              Originally posted by BAM_BAM
              I've put on my spray jacket in anticipation of the tirade of abuse I'll receive, but I can't wait for the day that people realise just how much Mathews is worth to us. Trade bait indeed!
              Until Benny stops giving the ball to the opposition with monotonous regularity he is not worth much to us, no matter what you say or how tough he is. When he coughs it up we tend to lose....and he does it every second match or so. We have enough grunty midfielders, we need at least one with silky skills and one of the workhorses is gonna have to go.

              Kirk, J. Bolton, Crouch?.....I don't think so.
              "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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              • Dpw
                On the Rookie List
                • Jan 2003
                • 829

                #37
                Originally posted by sharp9
                Do you even watch the Swans play? Buchanan would be our NUMBER ONE player at getting the ball cleanly out of packs (a la Sam Mitchell). He is better at this than any other player on our list (who has played senior footy.

                Suggesting he only has a future as a negator is, perhaps, the most ignorant comment made on this board in the last few weeks.

                Did you see the Hawthorn game? What's wrong with you?
                Ignorant, how many games has Buchanan played and your basing your view as our "number one palyer at getting the ball cleanly out of packs". Buchanan looks like he has a future but to base your opinion on what he has achieved at AFL level so far maybe a little Ignorant.

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                • ScottH
                  It's Goodes to cheer!!
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 23665

                  #38
                  After finally seeing the game, (Thx Bam_Bam), I thought they played high pressure one on one footy. The Lions were shell shocked. Even Voss had his hands on his hips looking tired.

                  My thoughts,

                  Buchanon, set the tone for the game with his first five minutes of effort. Altho' he went in and out of the game. Needs to improve his disposal speed and awareness around him, he got run down a few times.

                  Bevan, what can't he do!!! Tackles hard, kicks goals, defends well, good mark, as tuff as they come for his size.

                  Schauble is the most unathletic looking player I've seen for a while, but he was pretty effective on Lynch and had the strength to match the Lynch Monster.

                  Barry, is just getting better and better, his run and ability to read the play is critical to the back line.

                  Kennelly, hard done by with a few FA, is playing as good as I've seen him. He ran around a few Lions and made them look second rate.

                  Mathews, has become a real ball magnet and is playing some godd solid footy at the moment.

                  Ablett, I almost laughed when he looked up and saw no one standing the mark and banged thru a 50+m Goal, an extremely bad mistake by the Lions. I'm sure Lethal let them know that.

                  Mol, someone mentioned his pick up and handball off to ROK, in the 3rd term, not many players good do that at speed. he also out muscled Bradshaw which I was surprised about. He is one of the most accurate kicks in the team now as well.

                  ROK , disappointing Misses he should have snagged at least one of those early shots, but he showed he can still kick a goal, and didn't let the early misses effect him.

                  Hall struggling against many, but still able to stamp his mark in the F50.

                  Boltons both put in 110%,

                  Ball is in fantatic form, I just wich he could kick like he used to.

                  Doyle is on the improve, I thought he held his own against Keating.

                  Maxfield is a shadow of his former self, but he was still in their giving his all, and that running goal from outside 50 was a reminder of what he used to do regularly.

                  James, is a dissappointment, started the year off in stunning style, and now struggling when he does come on.

                  They are the main players I can think of at this hour.


                  Bring on the Roos, and hopefully a fully fit ND!!!!!!!!!

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                  • sharp9
                    Senior Player
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2508

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Dpw
                    Ignorant, how many games has Buchanan played and your basing your view as our "number one palyer at getting the ball cleanly out of packs". Buchanan looks like he has a future but to base your opinion on what he has achieved at AFL level so far maybe a little Ignorant.
                    The number of games he has played is irrelevant...he is better than Kirk, Bolton, Crouch, Fosdike and Mathews at getting the ball away cleanly from congestion (IMO, obviously).....I guess he's played 7 games or so and I like the cut of his gib.
                    "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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                    • cressakel
                      On the Rookie List
                      • May 2004
                      • 455

                      #40
                      Originally posted by sharp9
                      Do you even watch the Swans play? Buchanan would be our NUMBER ONE player at getting the ball cleanly out of packs (a la Sam Mitchell). He is better at this than any other player on our list (who has played senior footy.

                      Suggesting he only has a future as a negator is, perhaps, the most ignorant comment made on this board in the last few weeks.

                      Did you see the Hawthorn game? What's wrong with you?
                      Yes, I do watch the Swans, EVERY week since 1978 - yourself !?

                      I didn't say that Buchanan is a negator at the moment, as he clearly plays a forward line role. In effect, I said that Buchanan's future is limited due to his height, lack of goal sense and limited skills therefore, I only see a role for him as a negator.

                      Buchanan is very much like Peter Filandia - small, limited skills, plenty of endeavour but just not good enough for AFL level.

                      Comparing Sam Mitchell to Amon Buchanan is the most ignorant statement I have heard on this site/board. Mitchell is the number one go-to player from clearances and generates all the play for the Hawthorn runners, whereas Buchanan has never come close to a similar role that Mitchell plays.

                      Also, doesn't Kirky and Jude Bolton get the ball cleanly out of packs - particularly Kirky !!??
                      Well somebody told me, You had a boyfriend, Who looks like a girlfriend,That I had in February of last year, It's not confidential, I've got potential

                      Somebody told me, The Killers, Hot Fuss, 2004.

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                      • BAM_BAM
                        Support Staff
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 1820

                        #41
                        Originally posted by sharp9
                        Until Benny stops giving the ball to the opposition with monotonous regularity he is not worth much to us, no matter what you say or how tough he is. When he coughs it up we tend to lose....and he does it every second match or so. We have enough grunty midfielders, we need at least one with silky skills and one of the workhorses is gonna have to go.

                        Kirk, J. Bolton, Crouch?.....I don't think so.
                        fair point, but I also think the same can be said about Jude Bolton to a degree. Although each of those mentioned bring a different dynamic to the team. Which do we forfeit to gain the skills we're asking for? Which is least important? IMO Kirk and Crouch are the only untouchables.
                        Here's my heart and you can break it
                        I need some release, release, release
                        We need
                        Love and peace

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                        • ihamilto
                          On the Rookie List
                          • May 2004
                          • 331

                          #42
                          Originally posted by BAM_BAM
                          fair point, but I also think the same can be said about Jude Bolton to a degree. Although each of those mentioned bring a different dynamic to the team. Which do we forfeit to gain the skills we're asking for? Which is least important? IMO Kirk and Crouch are the only untouchables.
                          We may not have to forfeit anyone to gain a quality midfielder
                          some good South Australian judges rate Josh Willoughby and Tim
                          Schmidt outstanding prospects with a big preseason from both
                          our midfield prayers may be answered. I've seen Josh twice this
                          year in Wagga and he has something special reminds me of a young Darren Jarman give him time. As for Benny he is a goer
                          for us each week remember the saying a champion team will
                          always beat a team of champions Matthews may not be a star
                          but he does a job.
                          cheers Ian

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                          • cressakel
                            On the Rookie List
                            • May 2004
                            • 455

                            #43
                            Originally posted by ihamilto
                            We may not have to forfeit anyone to gain a quality midfielder
                            some good South Australian judges rate Josh Willoughby and Tim
                            Schmidt outstanding prospects with a big preseason from both
                            our midfield prayers may be answered. I've seen Josh twice this
                            year in Wagga and he has something special reminds me of a young Darren Jarman give him time. As for Benny he is a goer
                            for us each week remember the saying a champion team will
                            always beat a team of champions Matthews may not be a star
                            but he does a job.
                            cheers Ian
                            Matthews does a job of turning the ball over and slow to react when we have a run-on....

                            Although, I believe he is better suited to the Back Pocket than an on-ball/negating role.
                            Well somebody told me, You had a boyfriend, Who looks like a girlfriend,That I had in February of last year, It's not confidential, I've got potential

                            Somebody told me, The Killers, Hot Fuss, 2004.

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                            • ihamilto
                              On the Rookie List
                              • May 2004
                              • 331

                              #44
                              Back Six as Good as Any

                              Originally posted by cressakel
                              Matthews does a job of turning the ball over and slow to react when we have a run-on....

                              Although, I believe he is better suited to the Back Pocket than an on-ball/negating role.
                              Agree the back pocket is his
                              best spot in fairness to him even Maxfield turns the ball over at times and he is the captain.
                              cheers Ian

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