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  • sharpie
    On the Rookie List
    • Jul 2003
    • 1588

    Brownlow & Preconceived Ideas

    Last night Kirky polled extremely well. I am very suprised, but very happy of course, by his 20 votes, considering he hardly got a vote last year. He is also an All-Australian this year.

    I thought his 2003 season was better than this season, yet he got snubbed in both the Brownlow and AA selection last year.

    As another example of preconceived opinions of players, Willo had an outstanding 2002, yet was snubbed in the AA selection. In 2003, he had a good year again and earned AA selection, but I believe his 2003 was not quite as good as his 2002.

    My point is I think this shows that the judges for these competitions (umpires for Brownlow, media & AFL bigwigs for AA) base a lot of their judgements on preconceived opinions they have formed over a period of time. I believe that it required the media to get behind Kirky and praise his efforts consistently over a long period before the umpires started to believe that he really was doing a good job, so this year they were looking out for him.

    If this is the case, then it could be the same for how the umpires perceive Barry Hall. Over many years they have learned to fear him and see him as tough enough to stand up for himself. As such, perhaps subconsciously, they dont give him a fair go with free kicks. I seriously doubt the umpires simply judge a contest on its merits without any particular preconceived prejudices against certain players. Just as they appear to not simply judge the BOG players fairly after a game without preconceived opinions of those players.
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  • swansrule100
    The quarterback
    • May 2004
    • 4538

    #2
    id like to believe theres is no validity to your theory. However it seems to be happening too often to be coincidental. In the case of the AA team it seems a lot of players are picked on reputation and/or form of previous seasons.
    Theres not much left to say

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    • BonBon
      BMT2144
      • Jul 2004
      • 2190

      #3
      Re: Brownlow & Preconceived Ideas

      Originally posted by sharpie
      Last night Kirky polled extremely well. I am very suprised, but very happy of course, by his 20 votes, considering he hardly got a vote last year. He is also an All-Australian this year.
      Ohhh, dude! He came 3rd! Something for him to be proud of.

      The umps didn't really like Plugger but he got Brownlow. Maybe Barry Hall could be in the same boat. For all the mess he's in with umpires not liking him and not giving him a fair go with free kicks etc, part of it is because he loses his cool. He has settled down alot this year compared to last. He has given a great boost to the team.
      Vicky Pollard: Oh my god I so can't believe you just said that this is like the time I threw Anita's nokia in the canal as a joke and she's like you have well got to buy me another one and I'm like get over it and then Paul came over who's adopted anyway and started saying that I fancy Mark Bennett but oh my god just because I have sex with someone doesn't mean I fancy them.

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      • swansrule100
        The quarterback
        • May 2004
        • 4538

        #4
        sick of swans brownlows... well ok they are good

        but i want a premiership having the most brownlows doesnt do much for me
        Theres not much left to say

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        • Doctor J.
          Senior Player
          • Feb 2003
          • 1310

          #5
          Originally posted by swansrule100
          sick of swans brownlows... well ok they are good

          but i want a premiership having the most brownlows doesnt do much for me
          Absolutely spot on comment SR100.

          We use Brownlow Medals as drink coasters we have so many of them.

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          • BonBon
            BMT2144
            • Jul 2004
            • 2190

            #6
            Originally posted by swansrule100
            but i want a premiership having the most brownlows doesnt do much for me
            True, true.

            Is Brownlows to you just like a somewhat 'extra' to AFL?
            Vicky Pollard: Oh my god I so can't believe you just said that this is like the time I threw Anita's nokia in the canal as a joke and she's like you have well got to buy me another one and I'm like get over it and then Paul came over who's adopted anyway and started saying that I fancy Mark Bennett but oh my god just because I have sex with someone doesn't mean I fancy them.

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            • NMWBloods
              Taking Refuge!!
              • Jan 2003
              • 15819

              #7
              I think Sharpie has a good point. As the media hypes up certain players, they become more noticeable by umpires and AA selectors. For example, Judd was great this year but he polled votes in games where Fletcher was much better and should have received the votes.

              As for Brownlows, I agree they are nice, but really fairly meaningless for supporters given that you should follow the team not individual players.

              EDIT:
              Sydney
              Will
              Always
              Never
              Suck

              You're kidding aren't you?

              I think we should all pitch in to help Bon_Bon come up with a better acronym.

              Sydney
              Wins
              And
              Never
              Surrenders

              Nah - not true enough!
              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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              • BonBon
                BMT2144
                • Jul 2004
                • 2190

                #8
                Originally posted by NMWBloods

                EDIT:
                Sydney
                Will
                Always
                Never
                Suck

                You're kidding aren't you?

                I think we should all pitch in to help Bon_Bon come up with a better acronym.

                Sydney
                Wins
                And
                Never
                Surrenders

                Nah - not true enough!
                Don't make me feel like I got hit by a parked car! Excuse my acronym talent as it was at the last min. I am NOT having yours NMW, because then it wouldn't be mine, would it?
                Vicky Pollard: Oh my god I so can't believe you just said that this is like the time I threw Anita's nokia in the canal as a joke and she's like you have well got to buy me another one and I'm like get over it and then Paul came over who's adopted anyway and started saying that I fancy Mark Bennett but oh my god just because I have sex with someone doesn't mean I fancy them.

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                • NMWBloods
                  Taking Refuge!!
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 15819

                  #9
                  Originally posted by BonBon
                  Don't make me feel like I got hit by a parked car! Excuse my acronym talent as it was at the last min. I am NOT having yours NMW, because then it wouldn't be mine, would it?
                  LOL - maybe give it some thought over the pre-season!

                  Think about positive words in the letters, like success, win, season, etc.
                  Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                  "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                  • BonBon
                    BMT2144
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 2190

                    #10
                    Ta
                    Vicky Pollard: Oh my god I so can't believe you just said that this is like the time I threw Anita's nokia in the canal as a joke and she's like you have well got to buy me another one and I'm like get over it and then Paul came over who's adopted anyway and started saying that I fancy Mark Bennett but oh my god just because I have sex with someone doesn't mean I fancy them.

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                    • BonBon
                      BMT2144
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 2190

                      #11
                      Sydney
                      Will
                      Awaken
                      New
                      Success

                      ??????????? Having 2nd thoughts. I aint good at this stuff
                      Vicky Pollard: Oh my god I so can't believe you just said that this is like the time I threw Anita's nokia in the canal as a joke and she's like you have well got to buy me another one and I'm like get over it and then Paul came over who's adopted anyway and started saying that I fancy Mark Bennett but oh my god just because I have sex with someone doesn't mean I fancy them.

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                      • NMWBloods
                        Taking Refuge!!
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 15819

                        #12
                        Much better! That will work nicely and you can keep thinking of a possible new one.
                        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                        • BonBon
                          BMT2144
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 2190

                          #13
                          Originally posted by NMWBloods
                          Much better! That will work nicely and you can keep thinking of a possible new one.
                          lol thanks NMW. you're my acronym inspiration
                          Vicky Pollard: Oh my god I so can't believe you just said that this is like the time I threw Anita's nokia in the canal as a joke and she's like you have well got to buy me another one and I'm like get over it and then Paul came over who's adopted anyway and started saying that I fancy Mark Bennett but oh my god just because I have sex with someone doesn't mean I fancy them.

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                          • j s
                            Think positive!
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 3303

                            #14
                            Originally posted by NMWBloods
                            Sydney
                            Wins
                            And
                            Never
                            Surrenders
                            Sydney
                            Waits
                            Again
                            Next
                            Season

                            True enough but I would prefer....

                            Sydney
                            Wins
                            Again
                            Next
                            Season

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                            • barry
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 8499

                              #15
                              Crouchy in the GF sprint is our last chance at a medal this year.

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