So what are we willing to give for Ottens??

[anne]

All theoretical - Ottens wants to stay in Melbourne and therefore prefers Geelong. And I would never give up ROK for him.

[Dpw]

Originally posted by anne
All theoretical - Ottens wants to stay in Melbourne and therefore prefers Geelong. And I would never give up ROK for him.

Not your decision to make.

[sWAns63]

Fosdike & a round 1 draft pick should be enough to secure Ottens (who is injury prone) adding Powell to the mix is stupid.

[dendol]

Originally posted by sWAns63
Fosdike & a round 1 draft pick should be enough to secure Ottens (who is injury prone) adding Powell to the mix is stupid.

Richmond are stupid, but not that stupid.

[Matt79]

Saddington + Pick 15 + Ablett

Just a suggestion of what Richmond may give Ottens for, I do rate all of the above names highly at the swans and would be happy for them to stay.

But you do need to trade talent to get talent.

[Nico]

If Richmond are not prepared to pay what he wants, but what they think he is worth, then how dumb is any other club to pay over the odds for a player who was on big bucks based on potential.

Heard a player manager saying on radio last week that clubs are getting tougher on negotiations, and the days of players simply expecting to get big dollars elsewhere are gone. Player payments have hit the ceiling and clubs who have been hurt by back end contracts won't fall for it again. He also said loyalty has come back into the equation to a point, where unless someone is desperately unhappy at a club, they will stay.

So I doubt he will get what he was on at Richmond. Adelaide have given up on him already (his home town) because he has said Melbourne is now his home.

I reckon we are near the bottom of his list given there will be 9 other Melbourne clubs eyeing his services.

[Swansinger]

Re: So what are we willing to give for Ottens??

Originally posted by Will Sangster
In Any suggestions??

Well it's easy . The Tigers need a ruckman.
Ottens - paid on potential , said Greg Miller.
Doyle - selected on potential .

So a straight player swap it is , then.

And as for ROK - gotta keep him.
I would respectfully ask Dpw ,who said to one poster that this is "not your decision to make", are we coached by Paul Roos - or Terry Wallace?
The fans voice CAN make a differrence and the club does take note of our sentiments , even if they are not bound by them.

[Damien]

Originally posted by Swansinger

I would respectfully ask Dpw ,who said to one poster that this is "not your decision to make", are we coached by Paul Roos - or Terry Wallace?
The fans voice CAN make a differrence and the club does take note of our sentiments , even if they are not bound by them.

Any fan that thinks fans have the ability to have any influence over recruiting decisions have rocks in their heads.

Paul Roos and Co will make the decision, with no emotion whatsoever involved. That is what they are appointed to do.

If any decision was made based on a popularity contest - Paul Roos would lose my respect forever.

Some delusional people may have convinced themselves that they got Paul Roos the coaching job, I can get over that, but I will be darned if I am going to put up with posts like yours that suggest that the clubs recruiting and retention policy can be influenced by 'fan power'.

[Swansinger]

Originally posted by Damien
Any fan that thinks fans have the ability to have any influence over recruiting decisions have rocks in their heads.

Well fair enough Damien you may well be right.
But I do know that the club has said to me and others - in writing that they take "very seriously" the fans concerns on this issue.

[Blood Bro]

Agree entirely with Damien.

The day Roos and co start even considering our opinions in terms of trades, is the day that we are in serious trouble.

[Tooth Fairy]

Re: Re: So what are we willing to give for Ottens??

Originally posted by Swansinger
Well it's easy . The Tigers need a ruckman.
Ottens - paid on potential , said Greg Miller.
Doyle - selected on potential .

So a straight player swap it is , then.

And as for ROK - gotta keep him.
I would respectfully ask Dpw ,who said to one poster that this is "not your decision to make", are we coached by Paul Roos - or Terry Wallace?
The fans voice CAN make a differrence and the club does take note of our sentiments , even if they are not bound by them.

Why don't you just stick with SSI and keep believing that rubbish.

[Bart]

Re: Re: So what are we willing to give for Ottens??

Originally posted by Swansinger
The fans voice CAN make a differrence and the club does take note of our sentiments , even if they are not bound by them.

Once again, the day the fans have an input into recruitment decisions is the day I give it away. Its fun speculating and being armchair selectors on this board, but let's leave it at that.

Brace yourselves folks, because if Roos is ABLE to pull off the types of trades he is alluding to, then there are going to be a lot of disappointed supporters. I would go so far as to say, and this is just a personal opinion, that anyone bar Barry Hall is fair game.

[dendol]

Re: Re: So what are we willing to give for Ottens??

Originally posted by Swansinger
Well it's easy . The Tigers need a ruckman.
Ottens - paid on potential , said Greg Miller.
Doyle - selected on potential .

So a straight player swap it is , then.

And as for ROK - gotta keep him.
I would respectfully ask Dpw ,who said to one poster that this is "not your decision to make", are we coached by Paul Roos - or Terry Wallace?
The fans voice CAN make a differrence and the club does take note of our sentiments , even if they are not bound by them.

so we'll give up a ruckman who has played the majority of this year for a ruckman with a long injury history. Yeah, that will bolster our ruck stocks after 2005.

[Bear]

Re: Re: Re: So what are we willing to give for Ottens??

Originally posted by Bart
Once again, the day the fans have an input into recruitment decisions is the day I give it away. Its fun speculating and being armchair selectors on this board, but let's leave it at that.

Whilst SSI is well-intentioned, they cause many more problems than they 'solve'.

When they think they have had a 'victory' on the appointment of the coach, they will be emboldened and want a say in the next issue, and the next - player trades, where we play home games, design of our uniform, etc, etc... (where would it end??).

Aside from the absurdity of people who have little inside knowledge of the facts wanting a say in important decisions, this would disenfranchise other supporters and split the club, create populist (politician-like) decision making, and divert the focus of our administrators away from their key duties. Anyone involved with this group needs to think very carefully about this.

If they ever get a seat (or seats) on the board then it will truly be a case of the inmates running the asylum and time to rip/cut up my membership. I am sure you would see a 'No SSI' ticket start if they make a formal bid for the board.

Bottom line - we pay professional football administrators to make fully informed decisions, so unless something outrageous is happenong, we must have faith in this system.


My view on what we should give up for Ottens. Two of 22, 12, 20, first round draft pick. Definitely not 5.

[Mike_B]

Re: Re: Re: Re: So what are we willing to give for Ottens??

Originally posted by Bear
My view on what we should give up for Ottens. Two of 22, 12, 20, first round draft pick. Definitely not 5.

You sound like a Melbourne supporter referring to players by their numbers!