Our Best 5 players (Past)

[Sanecow]

My top 5:

1. Rod Tilt Carter
2. Andrew Bookend Dunkley
3. Wayne Moose Henwood
4. Bernard Nickname Toohey
5. Richard 10.2 Osborne

[The Undertaker]

My top Swans since i started to support(97-):
1.Paul Kelly
2.Tony Lockett
3.Andrew Dunkley
4.Paul Roos
5.Michael O'Loughlin.

Top Swans in my time(1976-)
1.Paul Kelly
2.Gerard Healy
3.Greg Williams
4.Tony Lockett
5.Barry Mitchell.


just my opinion.

[caj23]

Just on Greg Williams, i know he was a traitor who everyone hates, but anyone who thinks Paul Kelly was a better player than him is looking through rose (red & white) coulored glasses. I love Kell, but Williams won matches for swans/carlton on a weekly basis averaging 25-30 quality possessions a game

in one game for the swans he racked up 50 (yes 50!) possessions and kicked 6 goals, pretty handy effort.

Carey is also easily in the top 5 players of the last 20 years with only Lockett and Ablett in his class.

Funny how peoples memories are tarnished by off field events and personal bias

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by Will Sangster
Just on Greg Williams, i know he was a traitor who everyone hates

It's true; so is Barry Mitchell.

[liz]

Originally posted by Will Sangster
Funny how peoples memories are tarnished by off field events and personal bias

Or maybe just have a different - subjective - opinion?

[Bart]

Originally posted by liz
Or maybe just have a different - subjective - opinion?

Anyone who doesn't put Carey in the top 5 of the last 20 years is making a VERY subjective opinion. It still haunts me that he could have been ours.

[Sanecow]

It still haunts the Roos that he was theirs.

[liz]

Originally posted by Bart
Anyone who doesn't put Carey in the top 5 of the last 20 years is making a VERY subjective opinion. It still haunts me that he could have been ours.

Agree with you - at least in the sense that he'd be in mine.

From a selfish POV I'm not entirely sorry he was never ours because with Carey in the team, the Swans may never have gone all out to get Plugger. And it was an awesome performance from Lockett in the first game I ever went to that got me so pumped up about AFL. Without him, I may never have caught the bug.

[caj23]

Originally posted by Bart
Anyone who doesn't put Carey in the top 5 of the last 20 years is making a VERY subjective opinion. It still haunts me that he could have been ours.

With you on that one Bart. I think its reasonable to assume that had we held on to Carey and Longmire we would have been significantly more successful in the 90s/00s then what we were and may have witnessed a premiership in our lifetimes by now.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Bart
Anyone who doesn't put Carey in the top 5 of the last 20 years is making a VERY subjective opinion.

I think he's clearly top 5 in the past 20 years.

[cressakel]

Originally posted by Will Sangster
Just on Greg Williams, i know he was a traitor who everyone hates, but anyone who thinks Paul Kelly was a better player than him is looking through rose (red & white) coulored glasses. I love Kell, but Williams won matches for swans/carlton on a weekly basis averaging 25-30 quality possessions a game

in one game for the swans he racked up 50 (yes 50!) possessions and kicked 6 goals, pretty handy effort.

Carey is also easily in the top 5 players of the last 20 years with only Lockett and Ablett in his class.

Funny how peoples memories are tarnished by off field events and personal bias

Finally, a man who knows his unbiased football.

First Para - Correct.

Second Para - 52 possessions (something like 26 kicks and handballs each) actually and it was against the Sainters. What a game, what a player. Shattered the day he left the Swans as, not only was Williams the second best player I have seen (behind Carey), but I knew that the Swans had clearly hit rock bottom when he announced his transfer to the Money Blues...The bloke should have won four Brownlows ( 2 each at Sydney and Carlton), as the tribunal robbed him of six games (should have been cleared) and a shot at the Brownlow in either 1989, 1990 or 1991 (can't remember the year actually) when Williams tackled David Grenvold from Essendon and received three weeks for allegedly hitting Grenvold in the stomach and a further three weeks because of a suspended sentence and Williams also should have won in 1993 when Wanganeen beat Williams by a vote, even though Williams collected 44 possies in the last round and didn't receive a vote.

There should be a Royal Commision on Williams' robbed Brownlow's, as "should have" is a powerfull force that is gaining momentum.....

Third Para - Correct again.

Fourth Para - Soooo correct.

If we were talking my FAVOURITE player of all time, as opposed to the BEST I HAVE SEEN, then Paul "King" Kelly easily wins hands down.

[Plugger46]

Originally posted by Will Sangster
Funny how peoples memories are tarnished by off field events and personal bias

Couldn't careless about the off-field events, opinion of him has not altered since. Personal bias has nothing to do with it. I simply don't think he was as good as either Lockett or Ablett. Lockett only played 5 seasons with us, and I thought just as highly of him before he joined us. Carey is definitely in the best 5 of the last 20 years, no arguments. However, I do believe he as been overrated by certain circles of the media.

Cressakel, your comments regarding Bayes are very ignorant. Do you think that he was just a good kick? You clearly have no idea, if you believe that. Bayes was one of the best CHB's going around in the early 90's.

[cressakel]

Originally posted by Plugger46
Couldn't careless about the off-field events, opinion of him has not altered since. Personal bias has nothing to do with it. I simply don't think he was as good as either Lockett or Ablett. Lockett only played 5 seasons with us, and I thought just as highly of him before he joined us. Carey is definitely in the best 5 of the last 20 years, no arguments. However, I do believe he as been overrated by certain circles of the media.

Cressakel, your comments regarding Bayes are very ignorant. Do you think that he was just a good kick? You clearly have no idea, if you believe that. Bayes was one of the best CHB's going around in the early 90's.

On ability alone, Gary Ablett is so far ahead of any footballer in the last 20 years it isn't funny, but "Best Player" in my opinion refers to a team player as well and how that individual's performance reflected on the teams performance, hence why I rate Carey first and then G.Williams second.

Ablett was a very selfish footballer to the team cause, as evidenced by the fact in many games he would have the equal of or more than the amount of points against goals kicked - simply because he would take the selfish option and try and kick goals from 65 out on the boundary, whereby he had the option of a loose teammate 3-35 metres out dead in front.

Ron Barassi used to bench Blight, or any other player for that matter, if they tried that selfish option once in a game, let alone Ablett taking the selfish option constantly to the detriment of the team.....

As for Bayes, yes he was one of the best CHB's in the AFL in the early 90's, but was he the best CHF or even a successfull CHF ?!?!

@@@@ing NO, because he was tried there and failed miserably. It is easy to be led to the ball and defend (a la Jakovich), but when that champion CHB gets switched to CHF (a la Jakovich again), they find it mighty difficult to make the play, be the main man, kick goals, show enormous courage, take pack breaking marks and show leadership - which is everything Carey exhibited.

Mark Bayes had many fine points to his game, but he NEVER exhibited the type of qualities that, as above, Carey did while playing the toughest position on the ground, CHF. But then again, not many did either....

At the moment, us Swans fans are spruiking about how good B.Hall is playing in the CHF position, which he is of course.

Now ponder this, W.Carey played at a slightly better level (more marks, more goals, more kicks, more one percenters and more wins) than Hall and over a sustained period (ie. A DECADE).

If Hall was to be stricken with a serious season ending injury (heaven forbid it doesn't ever happen), watch the Swans go from a competitive top 4-6 team to a middle of the table team, as was the case when Carey was injured for a lengthy period and when he eventually left the Kangaroos.

[Rushed Behind]

Swans in recent time

Kelly
Creswell
dunks
Lokett
swatta

Ohter clubs
Carey
Ableet
Dermie
Siglavni
J Molloy

[footyhead]

I hate carey, i don't care how good he was. It has nothing to do with Kelly Stevens, the guy was just a pig, and so is his brother.