We are a laughing stock

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by liz
Last week showed the value of Kennelly in the back half - when he's in the mood he can crack open a zone around the defensive zone because he can run and carry the ball, burn off all but the speediest, and then kick long. It's the most important part of the ground for that to happen and, if he were doing it consistently, he is of greater value there than on a wing.

Problem is, of course, that he ain't doing it at the moment.

Not sure that moving him up the ground makes sense right now - he would actually have to work harder to make contests there, rather than in the back line where the contests come to him and he needs to work when he's in them. If it were just the defensive part of his game that was a problem then the move might be productive but there's something more fundamental missing at the moment.

I disagree. I don't think he will develop the defensive nous we need, hence we are down one backman.

He may be able to run the ball out of defence, but then we still need to get it past half way and into F50. This is where we struggle.

Playing on a wing he should still be able to move into D50 to get the ball and run it out, but he also has the option of being in the middle and getting the ball from other defensive rebounders and running it into the forward line.

[Red@WhiteBaron]

Re: Tadgh ARGH!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG
I'm glad somebody wished to comment on Tagdh's effort today. It was verging on the pathetic. When you put him in tandem with Leo Barry you have a indecisive short kicking over-possessing mistake-a-thon waiting to happen. Adelaide are no push-overs, but they simply had to wait for the errors to come from our Hb and FB line to score gimme goals.

Tagdh should NOT be doing the kick ins. he takes an age and often ends up chipping it to a player not in a better position than him. Who often then handpasses or kicks under pressure, meaning heart-attacks all around.

I though Roos had learnt from the mistakes Eade made by play Tagdh as a back pocket player. He hasn't it seems. Kennelly is a free-running player who likes to set up attacking forays with his pace. He loves a goal and the freedom to express himself. Deep in defence where he has to not only worry about marking up his man, but is taking a massive risk in paying on at all costs, or just merely chipping or handballing the ball around.

I was thinking that he should be dropped. But no, I thought he should be played no further back than the wing.

If Roos cannot work that out by now, he should no longer be coaching this football team. I for one am FED up with players being played out of position. It is murdering MY gteam's chances each week.

JF

Hear hear. Although I can understand (and at times appreciate) Roosy's style of coaching, the fact of the matter remains that at times there is clearly a lack of discipline...and when there is, that player needs to be told.

Drag him, put him on the blower and give him a good ol' fashioned bollocking! Otherwise, drop him.

Tadhg's efforts of late have bordered on unacceptable (call me harsh), and as you said he may not be cut out for a role in defence - he's had a number of pretty poor disposals which have been intercepted by opposition players, and his options when kicking in can be coronary stopping material.

[Mike_B]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Playing on a wing he should still be able to move into D50 to get the ball and run it out, but he also has the option of being in the middle and getting the ball from other defensive rebounders and running it into the forward line.

And we all know he is a good long accurate kick on the run, so opefully convert a few too. We really haven't been getting the goals from our midfield that we need as the buffer for days when our forwards struggle.

I know we don't have a midfield anywhere near the class of West Coast, (and in turn they don't have a forward line anywhere near ours so it does even it up a bit) but they had 9 goals come from Cousins Judd and Fletcher yesterday.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by eirinn
why?

I'm lost. It's late. I'm tired.

Never mind, I think it was a frog gave a ride to a scorpion anyway, and the scorpion stung the frog.

[robbieando]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I don't think Kennelly has ever been a good defender. His value has been the run from half back. However, we haven't been able to successfully replicate that on a regular basis since 2003. He should have been moved to the wing last year.

Think along those lines how about a set up like this for next week (if Maxfield is rubbed out and Ball doesn't overcome his injury)

B: C.Bolton A.Schauble J.Crouch
HB: S.Dempster L.Roberts-Thomson L.Barry
C: T.Kennelly A.Goodes J.McVeigh
HF: N.Davis B.Hall R.O'Keefe
F: J.Saddington M.O'Loughlin A.Buchanan
R: D.Jolly B.Kirk J.Bolton
Int: M.Nicks J.Willoughby L.Ablett B.Mathews

[ScottH]

Originally posted by Mike_B
And we all know he is a good long accurate kick on the run, so opefully convert a few too. We really haven't been getting the goals from our midfield that we need as the buffer for days when our forwards struggle.

Except for the one he missed in the last qtr.

Also how important were the two misses late in the 3rd qtr. should've been easy goals. Could've made a difference to the team confidence.

[Syd Swan]

Originally posted by hammo
Fully agree.

Kenneally's worst game in ages. Matthews was deplorable and should be dropped for someone who actually knows what they are doing.

Bringing McVeigh back would be a good start and why not play Willoughby as well.

Leo Barry was also embarrassing today but he had plenty of friends.

At least Jude put in all day unlike the rest of the Swans who for some reason allowed their Crows opponents to run free all day.

Oh how the tide has turned. I was absolutely hammered on here a couple of weeks ago when I said Kennelly was not up to it, and suggested we try a few young guys. I still stand by what I said and think we should drop Kennelly, Mathews, Maxfield and possibly Nicks. I konw a lot of you will say that is too many changes, but what does it matter. We need to blood the young guys now so that next year they are well and truly ready for the season. if we make the finals this year we will only be making up the numbers.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by Syd Swan
Oh how the tide has turned. I was absolutely hammered on here a couple of weeks ago when I said...

The collective RWO memory is rarely more than a week. Remember, you are not alone Syd Swan, keep belting your drum. Big changes are necessary and it is time to start looking to the future. It is not really week four, but week 28 of this team structure and game plan. It too often lets us down when it matters, even if it does pull off the occasional 'back from the dead' heroic win. Get the kids in and let them PLAY.

[Mike_B]

Originally posted by ScottH
Except for the one he missed in the last qtr.

Was he actually taking a shot at goal - it looked to me like he was trying a pass to the goal-line. Why he wasn't have a ping I will never know!

[ScottH]

Originally posted by Mike_B
Was he actually taking a shot at goal - it looked to me like he was trying a pass to the goal-line. Why he wasn't have a ping I will never know!

I thought he did have a ping, well it looked like it anyway, coz he gave it a good roost!!

[Matt79]

What made me feel even more depressed after yesterday's loss is when you consider

a) Adelaide is not a premiership contender this year and they kicked 18 goals with a suspect forward line.

b) After watching the game between Melbourne and St Kilda last night on Fox, the gap in the skill level between those two (probably top 6 definately. if not top 4 sides) and us is so wide I feel sick. We are just not even close in disposal skills, head skills knowing where to run to and effort, running for a 2nd effort, finding space and supporting each other.

At times our pressure on the Adelaide ball carriers was non existent and that to me was a major major worry.

Injuries after yesterday's game is also horrendous. Surely we have to at least try someone like Moore or Willoughby.

One positive has been Dempster. It's also clear to see the positive influence that young players can play with and bring to the team. He runs through the middle, kicks long when seemingly everyone else wants to chip and get easy possensions and he gives you a contest every time.
McVeigh did well in the Res. yesterday, Schneider appeared to do very little...

Oh dear...

[Provost]

I'm an avid Kennelly supporter and have clippings from the paper with him in them all over my fridge.
However I think its time he had a kick up the arse. I don't know if running him on the wing will help matters but its not working where he is now.

I don't think any of us can say his ego is at fault.

[Diego]

Originally posted by Matt79

b) After watching the game between Melbourne and St Kilda last night on Fox, the gap in the skill level between those two (probably top 6 definately. if not top 4 sides) and us is so wide I feel sick. We are just not even close in disposal skills, head skills knowing where to run to and effort, running for a 2nd effort, finding space and supporting each other.

Oh dear...

It frustrates me even so this year as i can watch more live games. We are so far behind in terms of skill its depressing. Even the tigers will over take us soon.

The club really needs to sit down and have a good hard look at the playing list.

But knowing this club nothing will change and the only players to be dropped this week will be the younger guys.

I really am starting to hate the swans more and more each week. My passion has waned and i am disinterested. I mean when you look at how the teams you mentioned play you realised what a dud team the SSFC is.

It's going to be a long season.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Originally posted by eirinn
I don't think Kennelly should be rewarded for laziness. I fully agree that Dempster has shown that he has what it takes to be a HBF, but Kennelly hasn't shown anything so far this season that would inspire me to move him to the wing. Even his kicking, usually pretty solid, has been dreadful..

And I'm a Kennelly fan.

Tiger's problem is that he is being innapropriately used on key forwards.
To take it to metaphor land, it's like using a scalpel to chop wood and then wondering why it lacks surgical prcision.

And anyone who doesn't understand tha standing a KPP reduces your run and the sharpness of your disposal hasn't played the game.

As noted by Moderator Liz abot Tigers run "Problem is, of course, that he ain't doing it at the moment." my thought is yes "because he's playing against the likes of Perrie!

[NMWBloods]

Kennelly doesn't seem to be regularly matched up on the key forwards, but sometimes seems to find himself there. I'm not sure whether that is through switches, errors or deliberate tactics. Certainly a bad outcome because as bad a defender he is, he is even worse as a key defender!