Got Milk? Got Superstars? Got Roos.

[Nico]

Re: Got Milk? Got Superstars? Got Roos.

Originally posted by Guzzitza
Article:
roosy talks

"As a team we have got to come with a hard mindset for every single game, you can't have a mental letdown.

"Some teams probably can because, particularly in the midfield when you have got three or four superstars who can turn a game around in 5-10 minutes.

"But for our guys it is physically and mentally exhausting because they know they have got to work very hard every single week so we just have to keep reminding them of that until we develop some players in the middle of the ground that are game-breakers."

When is Roos going to stop using this excuse of everyone has superstars but we dont? Adelaide is a young developing team who were harder, faster, and stronger than we were on the day. The Kangas have no amazing stand-out superstars either. And we can turn around a game in 5-10 mins, was he not at the Brisbane game? Or did he leave in the 4th and thats why we won it?
Reality check - EVERY TEAM HAS TO GO TO WORK HARD EVERY SINGLE WEEK - ITS CALLED FOOTBALL ROOS, IF U DONT KNOW THAT THEN U SHOULDNT BE COACHING OUR TEAM!!

This is what is called a self fulfilling prophesy.

By saying what he has said brings the players to believe what he is saying so they play out the scenario. He is also saying, reading between the lines, that the players he has got are not good enough. That may be so, but it does nothing for the player's self esteem and takes away from the winning belief.

It worries me that it sounds like he has accepted that he must go with what he has got, rather than going outside the square to find answers or get radical with how he uses players. Versatility comes to mind.

The only way to find out if he has got a "jewel in the crown" in the 2's is to promote a few, give them ground time. If he reckons he hasn't the midfield to do the job, drop a few and see how they react.

[footyhead]

I concur.

[hammo]

Am also sick of Roos trotting out this line. If you tell them they're not stars then you are just inviting them to drop their heads when a Judd starts running wild.

If the problem is not enough midfield stars then start playing Goodes at ruck rover or back as ruckman. Surely our best players should be on the ball. Nick Davis is our best kick so play him in the midfield. He has shown in the past two weeks how damaging he can be there when given the opportunity.

[Tooth Fairy]

Originally posted by footyhead
I concur.

Same. Accountability is the key.

[Schneiderman]

Re: Re: Got Milk? Got Superstars? Got Roos.

Originally posted by Nico
This is what is called a self fulfilling prophesy.

Agree.

But how does he change tack now? Does he say "I was wrong, we DO have some stars" or is it "They've improved and now they are stars"? And how do you stop those "stars" from getting a big head (a la Farmer or Medhurst)?

[NMWBloods]

I would have thought some sort of middle ground would have most sense. 'We have a lot of very good players, who don't have the natural skills of some on the league, however as a group can combined to beat the best in the competition as they have shown. However, without every player doing their absolute best then no matter what happens we will not win.'

I don't think the star angle should be emphasised ever. What happens when (if?) we get an absolute gun? Will the rest of the players occasionally slacken off because we now have the missing piece of the puzzle that Roos kept mentioning?

[dendol]

Re: Re: Re: Got Milk? Got Superstars? Got Roos.

Im pretty damn sure what he says behind closed doors and what he says to the media is completely different. Surely he knows we have stars in our side, but I think he is referring mainly to our workhorse midfield when he says this.

We've all seen how MOL or Hall have won games by taking contested marks and kicking bags of goals, and also how Leo has kept players kickless in a game whilst still managing to go for dashing runs from half-back, but I think he is only referring to that extra one or two midfield "stars" who can pick up 30 possessions, use everyone one of them effectively, and also kick a goal or three.

[Guzzitza]

Well after several different opinions on whether we have stars or not.. some say yes, some say no (we're talking in the mid-field here).. the bottom line is Roos seems to constantly make excuses for poor performance. Although we can b*tch and whinge about barry missing a goal and the others playing badly because they get paid so much - their job is to play footy. Roos job is to coach. And i think he is dong a worse job than the players are.
My issue is that he consistently blurts out these stupid remarks which are like the excuses of 10 yr old kid whose been caught stealing cookies... its everyone's fault except his. This is called the fundamental attribution error in psychology. The tendency to attribute one's failures to situational circumstances (eg. they have stars, we got injuries etc), and to attribute the successes to personal reasons (ie our team is great, we played well, blah blah). Until Roos accepts that his coaching may be flawed, rather than blaming every other reason under the sun for each loss, i dont think we will move on as a team. He needs to be accountable.
The team, although paid to kick goals etc., are also paid to follow orders from the coach.
Am i calling for Roos head? No. Do I want Roos to come out after the match and say, "Unfortunately we got out played today, they had a better game plan than ours and we'll need to come up with some new strategies for the next game"..
YES!! I Do. I want to see him accept some responsiblity. I read interviews with players saying how disappointed they are with their own eprsonal performance, when has Roos ever said that? When has he stepped up? This is the first step in changing our tactics, which are frustrating the fans, the AFL community, and i think the players as well. Lets face it, our players hardly look like they are enjoying themselves do they?
He needs to swallow his pride, stop moanin, and start coachin'

[Go Swannies]

I gather you didn't hear the interview with Roos on the ABC yesterday. He was saying that he is very accountable for their performance. And all aspects of performance was discussed.

But I have never heard a coach say "I was out coached today". Even when we all knew it.

Football is a multimillion dollar operation. Our view of the theory and application of what is happening is probably about the same as my knowledge of the launch of the space shuttle. Or that Jennifer Anston is being totally honest in every interview. I'm guessing that a sports psychologist has reported that the coach publicly admitting he was wrong leads to the team questioning every game plan after that time while as long as the questioning stays in-house the team stays united.

Don't confuse the public face with the private face.

[Guzzitza]

the questioning doesnt stay "in-house", Roos constantly blames the skill errors of the players, thats fine. THey have been making poor skill errors, but (apart from an interview i obviously missed on the ABC) im yet to hear him once publicly consider that the game plan he is employing is leading to the increased pressure on our players, which then leads to the skill errors. Win as a team, lose as a team. I'd like him to be more publicly accountable, and make less excuses regarding superstar playes, injuries, weather, etc etc etcl

[Mike_B]

Originally posted by Guzzitza
the questioning doesnt stay "in-house", Roos constantly blames the skill errors of the players, thats fine. THey have been making poor skill errors, but (apart from an interview i obviously missed on the ABC) im yet to hear him once publicly consider that the game plan he is employing is leading to the increased pressure on our players, which then leads to the skill errors. Win as a team, lose as a team. I'd like him to be more publicly accountable, and make less excuses regarding superstar playes, injuries, weather, etc etc etcl

It's a fine line on that one because if he were to come out and say he ws outcoached or the game-plan isn't suitable, in effect he is saying he is doing a bad job. It's akin to senior execs coming out in the media and saying they're doing a bad job - pretty unusual.

As pointed out by Go Swannies, we aren't privy to what's going on behind closed doors. There is a requirement that coaches etc front the media, so if that means playing the game and not letting on to very much, then so be it. It's not like any of the other coaches are doing it but Roosy isn't.

[Go Swannies]

As Leigh Matthews pointed out last week, each AFL coach gives more interviews than the Prime Minister. No wonder they repeat themselves about a game that's only played once a week for less than half the year.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Go Swannies
As Leigh Matthews pointed out last week, each AFL coach gives more interviews than the Prime Minister.

And they provide just about as much information. Evil thing TV news - constant need to fill the airwaves with useless soundbites as the media abhors silence!

[Go Swannies]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
And they provide just about as much information. Evil thing TV news - constant need to fill the airwaves with useless soundbites as the media abhors silence!

In tribute to Joh, the coaches are just feeding fitter chooks.

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
the media abhors silence!

I believe it's the radio audience that really hates it.