Can we beat the Bombers ??

[BonBon]

On the news just 5mins ago, they said that it's a must win game for both teams. Andrew Demetriou was also mentioning how he bagged the game plan.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by footyhead
but they certainly need to rebuild this team.

Just who do you think currently on our list needs to be removed?

[anne]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
Just who do you think currently on our list needs to be removed?

James, Fixter, Doyle, Sundqvist - injured too much.
maxfield, Nicks - past it
1 or 2 of Spriggs, Buchanan, Schneider - too small
O'Loughlin - he has had it and is no value to the team
Fosdike to be given one more chance.

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Originally posted by desredandwhite
Tanking games is NOT acceptable. As Mike said, there's a very real difference between losing because we're not good enough, and losing because we want to lose.

Priority picks are supposed to be a consolation, not a reward.

I hate this concept "tanking". Since when has blooding kids been seen as an instant way to lose a match. You could argue that using Mike's ideology we really should be jailed for not playing our top squad against the Dogs in Melbourne in the Wizard Cup.


I'd love to blood a few more kids. I still don't see that as being necessarily defeatist. I see it is looking to the future. Some of them may even do better than the players we keep in the team each week who are not performing. Who knows?

JF

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG

I'd love to blood a few more kids. I still don't see that as being necessarily defeatist. I see it is looking to the future. Some of them may even do better than the players we keep in the team each week who are not performing. Who knows?

Yep, well said.

[desredandwhite]

Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG
I hate this concept "tanking". Since when has blooding kids been seen as an instant way to lose a match. You could argue that using Mike's ideology we really should be jailed for not playing our top squad against the Dogs in Melbourne in the Wizard Cup.


I'd love to blood a few more kids. I still don't see that as being necessarily defeatist. I see it is looking to the future. Some of them may even do better than the players we keep in the team each week who are not performing. Who knows?

I think we're arguing two different points. If we're going with a "youth policy" type of thing, then I don't see anything wrong with putting more kids in for a taste of the big time with the pressure off. What I take exception to, however, is the concept of "playing for draft picks".

I'd be very disappointed if we went out for a premiership match with no intention whatsoever of winning. Preseason games are a completely different matter IMO.

[sWAns63]

Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG



I'd love to blood a few more kids.


JF

Yeah blooding a few young players that are playing well in the reserves each week sounds like agood idea at the expense of a few of the over the hill and under achieving types.They would know that they have to perform well to keep their spots.

[punter257]

yeah and its about bloody time too!

im sick of watching all teams giving young blokes a crack and doing ok. at least if they are not setting the world on fire they are given the chance to learn at the top level and not pick up easy low intensity touches in the ressies.

and then there are the youngsters who are doing really really well and have basically cemented spots indefinitely. i mean look at how cooneys going at the doggies and how about all the eagles young blokes that they chucked in last year and are now good solid players - ie: nicoski, butler, waters, b jones - its definitely bigger than our list last year - bevan.

an good example from the weekend was mundy from freo. he was bloody good for a 1st gamer. this is what we need, give a young guy a chance and just tell him to find the footy and play POSITIVE. i have heard dockers supporters all year saying to give the guy a go (just like us with moore, malceski and willoughby etc....) and he was excellent

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG
I'd love to blood a few more kids. I still don't see that as being necessarily defeatist. I see it is looking to the future. Some of them may even do better than the players we keep in the team each week who are not performing.

Wont happen until the coaching staff have no hope of winning the premiership. And neither should it beyond a natural selection of the best players available.

If you put in players who cant win it for you, but are just being "blooded" for the sake of it, even when you are being told that the team CAN win it may send the wrong message to the senior players. You run the risk that instead of lifting their game, the players tank it as they feel you are doing as the coaching staff.

[Red@WhiteBaron]

More often than not the young kids are really eager for a regular spot in the senior team, and as such will play with a bit more spirit than the regulars who get pretty complacent about their spot.

Blood 'em all.

[Red@WhiteBaron]

Oh, and just to answer the question - YES we can beat the Bombers, but NO we won't.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
If you put in players who cant win it for you, but are just being "blooded" for the sake of it, even when you are being told that the team CAN win it may send the wrong message to the senior players.

But Roos is saying we probably won't win games anyway as we aren't good enough. If that's the case why not try new players and see if they are good enough.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by Red@WhiteBaron
More often than not the young kids are really eager for a regular spot in the senior team, and as such will play with a bit more spirit than the regulars who get pretty complacent about their spot.

Blood 'em all.

Luffy reckons its that very desire to play and star that makes them more mistakes, and he may well be true. the answer is a tough one.

I'll temper my next comments so as not to confuse those who believe I am predicting the future:

In my very humble opinion, and with only my poorly formed judgement to rely on, I believe we will Essendon this weekend and we should do so by a large margin.

Disclaimer: my opinions in no way reflect reality and as such may not be used against me after the game is completed.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
But Roos is saying we probably won't win games anyway as we aren't good enough. If that's the case why not try new players and see if they are good enough.

He is: in the Reserves. And its not like he hasn't blooded ANY players over the two years of his tenure.

Correct me if i miss any: Schneider, Bevan, Thewlis, LRT, Dempster, Powell, Ablett, Miekljohn, Mott, Sundqvist, Fixter, Buchanan.

He has debuted and kept faith in at least one new player each year, and each so far have had very good first years in the seniors. All of them are still easily young enough to continue to develop into stars.

[liz]

Originally posted by Schneiderman

Correct me if i miss any: Schneider, Bevan, Thewlis, LRT, Dempster, Powell, Ablett, Miekljohn, Mott, Sundqvist, Fixter, Buchanan.

I'm on the same planet as you, Schneiderman, but before others point it out, Fixter and Mott don't belong on that list. Fixter has pretty much been injured for the whole of Roos' reign, while Roos actually moved Mott aside pretty much as soon as he took over (after Eade had used him a lot earlier in the season).