Team v dogs

[barry]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
That may be so but I can tell you who is more likely to be in a Swans premiership side.

But that is irrelevant, how come time is running out fast for him to stamp himself?

Well, because he's been drafted late, is 21 already with only 2 games on his belt. Is a rookie list player. He really has to show something this year to avoid going back the the rookies, and then something next year to keep on the list.

Although he's shown a bit so far, I suspect there must be a reason why every other club ignored him.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by barry

Although he's shown a bit so far, I suspect there must be a reason why every other club ignored him.

Probably the same reasons why they ignored Kirk. He has to get game time to stamp himself. He is going ok. Sure Ball is a better player, and I don't think Vogels would ever play in his place, but I hope he keeps his spot.

[liz]

Originally posted by barry

Although he's shown a bit so far, I suspect there must be a reason why every other club ignored him.

LOL

You could level that argument at every player picked below, say, no 30 in the draft, certainly against every player who has made it from a rookie list or as a novice pre-season draft pick.

Anyone fancy a Mal Michael, Aaron Davey, Damien Peverill, Mark Johnson, Andrew Lovett (just to mention a few)?

[barry]

Originally posted by liz
LOL

You could level that argument at every player picked below, say, no 30 in the draft, certainly against every player who has made it from a rookie list or as a novice pre-season draft pick.

Anyone fancy a Mal Michael, Aaron Davey, Damien Peverill, Mark Johnson, Andrew Lovett (just to mention a few)?

Nice work liz, but for every player picked over 50 in the draft that turned out alright, I can give you 10 that didnt.

And he wasnt even in the after 50's.

He could make it, and I hope he does, but he's taking the long road to get there, and the swans wont waste much time on him I suspect.

[ugg]

Yeah we better cut our losses and send him back to Terang. Only 2 goals in 2 games (with stints on the bench) and a couple of nice plays.

You're basically saying he won't make it because he was rookie listed.

[Barry Schneider]

Originally posted by barry
Nice work liz, but for every player picked over 50 in the draft that turned out alright, I can give you 10 that didnt.

And he wasnt even in the after 50's.

He could make it, and I hope he does, but he's taking the long road to get there, and the swans wont waste much time on him I suspect.

Did he cut you off in traffic Barry?

I like the look of him.That he was overlooked is not an indication of his ability.The rookie list is becoming a great way for clubs to grab talent that had been overlooked in previous drafts and had improved.
There are plenty of good players running around in the AFL that were not drafted initially.

[Newbie]

Originally posted by Barry Schneider
Did he cut you off in traffic Barry?

I like the look of him.That he was overlooked is not an indication of his ability.The rookie list is becoming a great way for clubs to grab talent that had been overlooked in previous drafts and had improved.
There are plenty of good players running around in the AFL that were not drafted initially.

Vogels kicking is pretty OK, long and straight. His agility, pace and determination are pretty good. His attitude seems to be fine (which is often the case for someone who are going through by the hard road). My only querry on him is how well he could offer a contest around the half forward line. I think that is the place he should be aiming for. I have not seen much of this yet so for me, the jury is still out on him. As long as he could offer decent contests in the half forward line, he would be a handy player (in the mood of Barker perhaps).

The only problem I could see with his type of playing is that
we dont often see the value of a handy tall forward at the SCG. This would make it hard for him to develop into that role. However, I do hope Roos would let him to develop into that position. We certainly need an alternative target beside Hall in larger grounds. O'Keefe is offering this at the moment but a taller target would be a much better alternative.

[barry]

Originally posted by Newbie

The only problem I could see with his type of playing is that
we dont often see the value of a handy tall forward at the SCG. This would make it hard for him to develop into that role. However, I do hope Roos would let him to develop into that position. We certainly need an alternative target beside Hall in larger grounds. O'Keefe is offering this at the moment but a taller target would be a much better alternative.

ROK is giving us sweet fa this year, so Vogels has a perfect opportunity to take the 3rd tall forward spot.

[gilze]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Guzzitza
[B]Finally, MOL. I wish he hadnt got 3 last week, as it doesnt reflect his performance for mine. He is obivously carrying injuries, perhaps he will never be fully fit. If so then someone else should get a go.


I think that its clear that MOL has been getting better week by week and was the most effective leading forward yesterday. He deserved at least three goals and if he wasn't shy of having a shot he may have had more. He produced scoring shots and scoring assists on almost all of his touches. Yes he is obviously carrying an injury, but his knee tendonitis is a long term injury that can only be managed over time. If there is someone else who can come in and do as much for the team then maybe they should get a go. Otherwise i can only see magic continuing to improve with gametime and proving to be a vital cog in the forward line.

[liz]

Originally posted by barry
Nice work liz, but for every player picked over 50 in the draft that turned out alright, I can give you 10 that didnt.

And he wasnt even in the after 50's.

He could make it, and I hope he does, but he's taking the long road to get there, and the swans wont waste much time on him I suspect.

No, why would they waste any time on a 6ft 4 player who is already physically strong, can take a mark, has a nice kicking action, looks good below his knees and doesn't look overawed by the jump from country football to AFL football in less than 9 months?

All, gasp, he is already over 21, only 10 years away from likely maximum retirement age so really a waste of time developing him any further, isn't it?

They should just concentrate on all those other skilful, well-built tall youngsters they have on the list, all those nabbed with top 10 picks.

Putting the sarcasm away for a moment, Vogels is younger than Ashley Hansen who has burst onto the scene this year and looks to be addressing one of the missing links in the WC line-up. He's also younger than the WC other great KPP hope, McDougall. And he's only about 15 months older than Jason Laycock.

It is far too early to say Vogels will become a 100 game player yet but so far the signs look reasonably promising and he's stood up to everything thrown at him.

[Nico]

Originally posted by ugg
I thought Bevan had a pretty good game yesterday. So, if Ball comes in, Vogels will go because we can't have too many talls in the team. And McVeigh would probably be the one to make way if they decide to reward Schneider.

Is that post pure sarcasm Ugg?

As if we have enough talls, sheesh.

Why would they reward Schneider. People talk about McVeigh not taking his opportunities, Schneider has had opportunities he should never have had. At least McvEigh gets near the footy at the top level. Schneider runs away from the contest.

Now for Bevan. I kick in 3 quarters. 4 in junk time (as usual) in the last Q. 51 miuntes ground time. That's a pretty good game!!!
But I would rather have him than Schneider.

[Newbie]

Originally posted by Nico

Now for Bevan. I kick in 3 quarters. 4 in junk time (as usual) in the last Q. 51 miuntes ground time. That's a pretty good game!!!
But I would rather have him than Schneider.

I actually think Bevan could develop to be a great tagger. He is tough, fast and hard at both the body and the ball. He got some size about him too which Crouch does not have. Would make a good tagger if he got his chance (which means Crouch has to make way ).

[OldE]

Originally posted by liz
. He's also younger than the WC other great KPP hope, McDougall. And he's only about 15 months older than Jason Laycock.

He's also only about 7 months older than Sean Dempster...

[dimelb]

Originally posted by cruiser
Why can't we have too many talls in the team? It seemed like just the other day that this forum was full of people complaining about Sydney's lack of height, now we have people saying we have too many talls. Good grief! What is "too many"?

Damn right! We mustn't have too many talls when we play the Bulldogs, and we don't have enough talls when we play the Kangas? And we have too many hobbits?!
We need talls front and back, and a couple of shorts too - we seem to have forgotten about crumbing.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Newbie
I actually think Bevan could develop to be a great tagger. He is tough, fast and hard at both the body and the ball. He got some size about him too which Crouch does not have. Would make a good tagger if he got his chance (which means Crouch has to make way ).

Newbie, Bevan is a 100 miles behind Crouch. One does not make way for someone until that someone proves he is better. Bevan showed flashes last year, and earlier in this season was given plenty of time.

Unfortunately for Bevan his lack of vision, genuine knowledge of the game and poor disposal has led to him being in the 18-22 player bracket, and he is lucky to be there.