LRT v Vogels

[skilts stilts]

LRT was all at sea but is well worth persisting with. Short term pain for long term gain. In relation to Vogels, the name Gavin Rose springs to mind when I watch him.

[barry]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Well Nicks stopped one that was an easy mark and the two misses should have been goals, so Morgan could very easily have had 4. Given Morgan's not a key forward, that would have been a very handy return for the 'Dogs.

Sorry Bloods, but that is possibly the dumbest thing I've read on here for a while.

You've been hanging around bigfooty too long.

[sharpie]

Originally posted by skilts stilts
LRT was all at sea but is well worth persisting with. Short term pain for long term gain. In relation to Vogels, the name Gavin Rose springs to mind when I watch him.

Troy Luff (at least according to the MMM commentary team, including the great man himself!)

[mocaholic]

Originally posted by skilts stilts
LRT was all at sea but is well worth persisting with. Short term pain for long term gain. In relation to Vogels, the name Gavin Rose springs to mind when I watch him.

He looks like Gavin Rose.

And there the similarity ends.

[NMWBloods]

If a player has 3 shots at goal and misses two easy ones, that doesn't mean the defender did well. He allowed three relatively easy shots at goal. If a player has his man beaten in front of goals and the only reason he doesn't mark and kick a goal is another player helps out then, again, the defender hasn't done well.

That Morgan didn't kick more is not because of good defensive work by LRT.

I recall last year when this site was up in arms about the media saying Hall was well beaten by Grant, and people fell over themselves to point out he kicked 1.4 and it was only his innaccuracy, not Grant's good defensive work, that prevented a very good return from Hall. Seems that this sort of analysis is only allowed when it favours the Swans...

[barry]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
If a player has 3 shots at goal and misses two easy ones, that doesn't mean the defender did well. He allowed three relatively easy shots at goal. If a player has his man beaten in front of goals and the only reason he doesn't mark and kick a goal is another player helps out then, again, the defender hasn't done well.

That Morgan didn't kick more is not because of good defensive work by LRT.

Defenders help out other defenders all the time. LRT slammed into packs to spoil other opponents many times. Why not count those as well ?

Plus I think its a bit of a stretch to assume Morgan would have marked the one Nicks spoiled. LRT had made up quite a bit of ground and was putting pressure on him by the time the ball came in. It wasnt an easy one to mark anyway.

[NMWBloods]

I don't equate LRT throwing himself headlong into a pack with Nicks' spoiling a mark.

LRT had his back to the ball and I actually expected a free kick to be paid to Morgan as LRT just cannoned into him. Morgan was very well positioned to take that mark and the ball was falling into his hands.

I don't "hate" LRT, however in the past few games I think his progression is still minimal and his level of play is not great. He's certainly well behind other players at the 30 game level. It's amazing how the supporters of him seem to think that if he does some very basic football things, like kick the ball to position or outmark a player he's done a great job. There is a lot more to do than that.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

"I hate LRT, he's horrible, he has bad hair, he lurches when he runs, he's too slow, too unco-ordinated, he drinks fanta. See look at these stats they prove that Amon Buchanan is a better KPP than LRT!
We should trade him! No we should sack him mid-season! No we should get the cheersquad to abandon banners and create a giant wicker man on the half-back line then we should lock LRT in it and set fire to it at 1/4 time."

Sorry about that I thought I'd join the anti-LRT chorus to see whether there was any merit in it (and got carried away) . . . . there isn't.

Morgan beat LRT in the first quarter, the ball was well delivered to him on the lead and LRT was too loose.
However after LRT received a message he started to nudge Morgan and maintain contact. Perhaps it was an improved focus on his opponent but perhaps also a little push and shove helps light his engine? Certainly he improved on Lucas after they got to pushing and shoving. Perhaps he needs to start a game with that frame of mind? Drawing a longbow, perhaps it's the union background, certainly in that game you rarely play shoulder to shoulder with your opponent, and rugby forwards are renowned for needing to be smacked about to wake them up.

Less amusingly I am more concerned with the fairness with which he spoils, they way he does it you'd think he learnt spoiling from the AFL rulebook. Maybe he read it, nowonder his development's slow. In any case one of the senior players should give him a tutorial on unbalancing his opponent in the air and jogging arms.

[barry]

LRT has really started to use his bulk and strength more in the last few weeks. I even suspect that Roos told him to crash into packs this weekend to put the wind up the smaller dog forwards.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I don't "hate" LRT,

Of course not your perfectly objective in your opinions. It's those naughty people with different opinions who get all emotional and silly.

Originally posted by NMWBloods
He's certainly well behind other players at the 30 game level.

Your "30 game level" refers to AFl senior appearances, not total games of AFl which might be more relevant.

Originally posted by NMWBloods
It's amazing how the supporters of him seem to think that if he does some very basic football things, like kick the ball to position or outmark a player he's done a great job. There is a lot more to do than that.

Actually there isn't all that much more to it, it's football not rocket science

[giant]

I have no more confidence in the Hyphenator having seen him live than I did seeing him on TV. He still seems too often to be totally out of his depth. The mark by Morgan in the goal square was a perfect eg - Morgan lost him so easily you'd think LRT had lost his contact lenses.

Still, while we are cobbling together wins I guess we can still afford to be blooding LRT, as we can the Moores, Vogels & Bevans.

Interesting to see what happens if we start being belted tho.

[NobNob]

Hello to all my friends on RedAndWhiteOnline.com Messageboard.

I am still thinking that Robert Lewis-Thompson is the BEST. But there are things that he is doing that are making me think that Paul Roos is a poor coach and has not got his Level 1 AFL Coaching Accreditation Certificate. He must be telling Robert to be staying on his feet more of the time. He is sliding in on his knees and when the ball is coming out he is still on the ground. Paul Roos must tell him not to do this. I think he should hit him with a cane on the calves each time he does - it is an excellent aid to memorising. Paul Roos must also be teaching Robert to kick on the run. He will only handpass unless he has a feee kick from a mark. If he has no players to handpass too he is getting trapped and caught with the ball. But I think he is really improving his kicks from marks to unmarked players 30 metres away and I love it when he just charges into the marking contest and knocks players everywhere. He is a STAR OF THE FUTURE. He has a big HEART, high fashion hair and the white-est teeth I have EVER seen. I am thinking he could be CAPTAIN next time when Leo Leaping retires.

I am log-off.
Sal D.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Ruckman
Of course not your perfectly objective in your opinions. It's those naughty people with different opinions who get all emotional and silly.

Yep - you know exactly what I'm thinking - silly me - I should check with RWO before deciding anything in the future...

Your "30 game level" refers to AFl senior appearances, not total games of AFl which might be more relevant.

It's not a nursery.

Actually there isn't all that much more to it, it's football not rocket science

There is more to it, particularly if the mark and kick happen only once or twice per game!

LRT's spoiling is fairly ordinary - he frequently misses the ball and I'm amazed he doesn't get caught more for over the shoulder, knocking the arms away, or simply crashing into players without appearing to go for the ball.


Still, this is just too funny. The "pro-LRT" brigade is playing his achievements out of all proportion and branding anyone who doesn't agree as hateful of him and blind of his achievements or his potential achievements.

Earlier in the year, I said that he's still developing his AFL skills and needs more time. I've just developed a view in recent weeks that he's not really developing that well. I've also commented though that unless he's taking the place of another tall, we should persist for a little while longer, but if there is an alternative tall we should try them.

However, this is all deliberately missed and instead I'm branded as an irrational LRT-hater. Have to love this site. And they think Footyhead is bad...

[barry]

Originally posted by NMWBloods


Earlier in the year, I said that he's still developing his AFL skills and needs more time. I've just developed a view in recent weeks that he's not really developing that well. I've also commented though that unless he's taking the place of another tall, we should persist for a little while longer, but if there is an alternative tall we should try them.

A rather sanitised view of some pretty scathing criticisms you've dished out to the young bloke.

You refuse to acknowlegde anything positive that LRT does, going so far to claim Morgan clearly beat him when in reality it was a dead heat.

Even those in the pro-LRT camp recognise his current shortcommings.

[Sean]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
LRT's spoiling is fairly ordinary - he frequently misses the ball and I'm amazed he doesn't get caught more for over the shoulder, knocking the arms away, or simply crashing into players without appearing to go for the ball.

Disagree. If his spoiling was fairly ordinnary then he would struggle defensively at AFL level - he hasn't had a bag kicked on him yet. If he was going over the shoulder, knocking the arms away or crashing into players he would have frees paid against him. Even if he does do what you say, isn't it a good thing if he gets away with it? Silvagni made a career out of it - and Scarlett very seldom spoils without some kind of overlooked infringement these days.

Still, this is just too funny. The "pro-LRT" brigade is playing his achievements out of all proportion and branding anyone who doesn't agree as hateful of him and blind of his achievements or his potential achievements.

It's one person isn't it? You seem to do your fair share of "branding" on here.

Earlier in the year, I said that he's still developing his AFL skills and needs more time. I've just developed a view in recent weeks that he's not really developing that well. I've also commented though that unless he's taking the place of another tall, we should persist for a little while longer, but if there is an alternative tall we should try them.

I agree with most of that except that he's not developing. It's 9 games now and he hasn't had a bag kicked on him. His disposal was also much better yesterday. Surely there is development happening?

However, this is all deliberately missed and instead I'm branded as an irrational LRT-hater. Have to love this site. And they think Footyhead is bad...

At least use someone who actually watches the football in your comparison.