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  • Ruckman
    Ego alta, ergo ictus
    • Nov 2003
    • 3990

    #46
    Originally posted by Sean
    Even if he does do what you say, isn't it a good thing if he gets away with it? Silvagni made a career out of it - and Scarlett very seldom spoils without some kind of overlooked infringement these days.
    I agree completely, I wasn't being facetious when I said I was concerned with the fairness with which he spoils. Although I was when i suggested be learnt spoiling from the AFL rulebook. No one reads that ~ certainly not the umpires.
    So yes I think one of the senior players should give him a tutorial on unbalancing his opponent in the air and jogging arms.

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    • NMWBloods
      Taking Refuge!!
      • Jan 2003
      • 15819

      #47
      Originally posted by barry
      A rather sanitised view of some pretty scathing criticisms you've dished out to the young bloke.
      Such as? What are these 'scathing' criticisms I've made on the RWO forum?

      Or are you simply focussing on the joke thread "LRT is to AFL"?

      You've been branding me an "LRT-hater" since the lead up to the Essendon game, which was the first time I commented on him. This is an obsessive protection of your boy!

      You refuse to acknowlegde anything positive that LRT does, going so far to claim Morgan clearly beat him when in reality it was a dead heat.
      "In reality"... LOL - I had a view, which I'm allowed to have.
      Even those in the pro-LRT camp recognise his current shortcommings.
      I thought he was "great" and "fantastic"...?
      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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      • NMWBloods
        Taking Refuge!!
        • Jan 2003
        • 15819

        #48
        Originally posted by Sean
        Disagree. If his spoiling was fairly ordinnary then he would struggle defensively at AFL level - he hasn't had a bag kicked on him yet. If he was going over the shoulder, knocking the arms away or crashing into players he would have frees paid against him. Even if he does do what you say, isn't it a good thing if he gets away with it? Silvagni made a career out of it - and Scarlett very seldom spoils without some kind of overlooked infringement these days.
        If he gets away with it great. However, I wonder how long he will.

        It's one person isn't it? You seem to do your fair share of "branding" on here.
        Mainly one, but I think there are a couple of others.
        I agree with most of that except that he's not developing. It's 9 games now and he hasn't had a bag kicked on him. His disposal was also much better yesterday. Surely there is development happening?
        There is some development, but it's too slow IMO. Hasn't really played a full game on anyone who's likely to kick a bag on him.
        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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        • Ruckman
          Ego alta, ergo ictus
          • Nov 2003
          • 3990

          #49
          Originally posted by NMWBloods
          Hasn't really played a full game on anyone who's likely to kick a bag on him.
          Which raises the issue of next week, the Saints may have Hamill, Gehrig and Riewolt all playing.

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          • Sean
            On the Rookie List
            • Sep 2003
            • 327

            #50
            Originally posted by NMWBloods
            If he gets away with it great. However, I wonder how long he will.
            I would say that it's more likely that he would give away frees now rather than in the future because like most sports the "rookies" get treated much more harshly. The umpires were also focusing on it a lot this season so with a bit of luck he should be OK.

            There is some development, but it's too slow IMO. Hasn't really played a full game on anyone who's likely to kick a bag on him.
            True but that's what happens with most players of his experience. They'll be protected from the best players. Hall very seldom has a young defender on him - for example, the Demons used their CHF rather than their young CHB.

            It is definitely the test that LRT needs to pass to prove to me that he has "made it". It would be nice to actually get a long way ahead in a game so that he could get a run on a really good player - but that's never going to happen

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            • NMWBloods
              Taking Refuge!!
              • Jan 2003
              • 15819

              #51
              What appeals about LRT is his height and athleticism. The way he ran out of defence and kicked the ball long to MOL was very nice. However, it remains to be seen whether that is something he can repeat or something unusual - even a weekend hacker can hit the perfect drive now and again. He has the height and leap to compete superbly in the air, but seems to lack judgement on where the ball is going.

              As I've said numerous times, these skill and decision making parts of his game do not appear to be progressing enormously at the moment. Perhaps they will in the future, but it's still a big ask. Still worth persisting while we have nothing to replace him with.

              He may become an okay footballer, but I'll be amazed if he becomes a very good one.
              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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              • Sanecow
                Suspended by the MRP
                • Mar 2003
                • 6917

                #52
                Originally posted by barry
                Plus I think its a bit of a stretch to assume Morgan would have marked the one Nicks spoiled.
                Agreed. LRT was going to give a free away.

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                • Ruckman
                  Ego alta, ergo ictus
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 3990

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Ruckman
                  Which raises the issue of next week, the Saints may have Hamill, Gehrig and Riewolt all playing.
                  Leo will be looking forward to plaing on Fraser again, and I think Hammill would provide LRT with an "education" but Schauble on Riewolt could be a worry.

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                  • ugg
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                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15971

                    #54
                    Craig Bolton will take one of the 3.
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                    • NMWBloods
                      Taking Refuge!!
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 15819

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Ruckman
                      Which raises the issue of next week, the Saints may have Hamill, Gehrig and Riewolt all playing.
                      C Bolton on Hammill.

                      Schauble on Gehrig.

                      Barry on Riewoldt.
                      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                      • ugg
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                        • Jan 2003
                        • 15971

                        #56
                        Originally posted by NMWBloods
                        C Bolton on Hammill.

                        Schauble on Gehrig.

                        Barry on Riewoldt.
                        Gehrig and Riewoldt will be too fast for Schauble. The best matchup for him is Hamill. Barry will get Gehrig after doing well on him, and CBolton should get Riewoldt.
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                        • NMWBloods
                          Taking Refuge!!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15819

                          #57
                          Gehrig doesn't really move around a lot - simply relies on his strength to outmark his opponents.

                          Hamill is way too quick for Schauble. He's only a little guy and very nippy - more suited to Bolton.
                          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                          • Ruckman
                            Ego alta, ergo ictus
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 3990

                            #58
                            Originally posted by NMWBloods
                            Gehrig doesn't really move around a lot - simply relies on his strength to outmark his opponents.
                            I believe his modus operandi, despite all the work on the peck deck in recent years, was the lead.

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                            • ugg
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                              • Jan 2003
                              • 15971

                              #59
                              He used to play on the wing for the Eagles, pace is definitely one of his assets.
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                              • barry
                                Veterans List
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 8499

                                #60
                                Reiwolt is carrying an injury, and is hearing footsteps. We need to get some uncordinated mad man in there to scare the bejesus out of him. So that everytime he goes for the ball he's thinking: "Where is that nutcase going to hit me now".
                                Answer: LRT. Bold and imaginative.

                                Look what it opens up:
                                Schauble v Gehrig - can wrestle all day in the goal square.
                                Barry v Hammil - Barry will run off him as easy as.
                                This also frees up Bolton to be 3rd-man up anywhere he wants, and Kennelly to run like the wind.

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