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  • dimelb
    pr. dim-melb; m not f
    • Jun 2003
    • 6889

    Youngsters' skills

    I've previously defended Bevan and Buchanan, but after today's efforts I'm looking forward to the return of Davis, Schauble and Williams. Why have they dropped off after decent debuts? Is it a case of persisting while they learn the skills/adjust to a higher level?
    LRT was OK today - at least one clanger, but several instances of solid work, including a great delivery to Magic.
    McVeigh looks the goods. Unlike last week I didn't see any clangers, and much of his delivery by hand and foot was accurate. He also looked to have time to decide what to do - a rare commodity.
    And who did the job on Cooney? I couldn't tell from the TV coverage (worth another thread), but he didn't seem to have a major influence on the game despite his undoubted brilliance.
    Dempster and Vogels - we're doing OK with them.
    Moore didn't get enough time, but looks good.
    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)
  • gilze
    On the Rookie List
    • Oct 2004
    • 98

    #2
    IIRC Buchanan kicked out of bounds twice and a behind, all from kickable positions. IMO he either has to move to the midfield more or spend time in teh reserves and maybe give Schneider who kicked another bag of 6 a go.
    Come on Magic!

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    • ScottH
      It's Goodes to cheer!!
      • Sep 2003
      • 23665

      #3
      As Dermie said when you get the ball on your prefered side, that (kicking a Goal) should be his bread and butter.

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      • TheHood
        On the Rookie List
        • Jan 2003
        • 1938

        #4
        Monty needs the "Jude Treatment", ie he needs to take his time and not rush those kind of disposals because he had more time than he knew.

        Monty's game against the Dons is an example of how he can play regularly if he starts focusing. If he's nailed 2 or 3 of those kicks today, we'd be singing his praises long into the night, but he just let himself down a bit today.

        Vogels was excellent today obviously.

        Moorey was a bit ho humm. I wonder if he'll play firsts on Saturday night?
        The Pain of Discipline is Nothing Like The Pain of Disappointment

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        • Foreign Legion
          Senior Player
          • Feb 2003
          • 3315

          #5
          Re: Youngsters' skills

          Originally posted by dimelb

          And who did the job on Cooney? I couldn't tell from the TV coverage (worth another thread), but he didn't seem to have a major influence on the game despite his undoubted brilliance.
          Dempster and Vogels - we're doing OK with them.
          Moore didn't get enough time, but looks good.
          I reckon Mathews was on Cooney - hard to tell on TV but I think it was him. Whoever it was did very well.

          I was very impressed with the way Vogels makes position - I think he has a future - he might start next week.

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          • TheHood
            On the Rookie List
            • Jan 2003
            • 1938

            #6
            Re: Re: Youngsters' skills

            Originally posted by Foreign Legion
            I reckon Mathews was on Cooney - hard to tell on TV but I think it was him. Whoever it was did very well.

            I was very impressed with the way Vogels makes position - I think he has a future - he might start next week.
            It was mostly Ben. He did a good job but he had no influence on the game himself unfortunately.
            The Pain of Discipline is Nothing Like The Pain of Disappointment

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            • Foreign Legion
              Senior Player
              • Feb 2003
              • 3315

              #7
              Re: Re: Re: Youngsters' skills

              Originally posted by TheHood
              It was mostly Ben. He did a good job but he had no influence on the game himself unfortunately.
              Thanks TheHood - thought it was him but couldn't tell.

              I don't mind if this is Mathews' role - sometimes its better if he DOESN"T get the ball!

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              • TheHood
                On the Rookie List
                • Jan 2003
                • 1938

                #8
                Re: Re: Re: Re: Youngsters' skills

                Originally posted by Foreign Legion
                Thanks TheHood - thought it was him but couldn't tell.

                I don't mind if this is Mathews' role - sometimes its better if he DOESN"T get the ball!
                I am hearing you there brother!
                The Pain of Discipline is Nothing Like The Pain of Disappointment

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                • dimelb
                  pr. dim-melb; m not f
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 6889

                  #9
                  Re: Re: Re: Youngsters' skills

                  Originally posted by TheHood
                  It was mostly Ben. He did a good job but he had no influence on the game himself unfortunately.
                  Thanks FL and TH - but I thought Mathews' disposal was generally very good - seemed to have time to spare, was almost always accurate and pushed the play in our favour. If only they all did!
                  Last edited by dimelb; 22 May 2005, 09:54 PM.
                  He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                  • Wardy
                    The old Boiler!
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 6676

                    #10
                    I always become anxious when Mathews gets the ball - due to his incapablility to make a decision - and now he's wearing the white shoes - obviously getting ready for his turn at Captain.

                    Whilst he kept Cooney quiet - agree with the previous comments, its sometimes best that he doesnt get the ball at all.

                    Actually I'm the same LewBobTom - I get a bit jumpy then as well.
                    I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
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                    • ScottH
                      It's Goodes to cheer!!
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 23665

                      #11
                      I thought Mathews had one of his better games, Even with white boots. (Tho they are not lairish anymore seeing as half the League wear them now). He hit more targets than he missed IIRC.

                      And for one of the rare occasions a swan actually passed the ball to LRT. This has been rare and noticeable, he stands there waving his arms, a mile in the clear, but his teammates very rarely pass it to him.

                      And he took a contested mark. And had to do a 2nd take coz I didn't think it was him.

                      Vogels, showed some poise with his 2nd goal. and gr8 skill to outmark his opponent with his 3rd, and gr8 composure to slot it thru both times. This gives us 3 big targets up forward.

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                      • liz
                        Veteran
                        Site Admin
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 16738

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ScottH

                        Vogels, showed some poise with his 2nd goal. and gr8 skill to outmark his opponent with his 3rd, and gr8 composure to slot it thru both times. This gives us 3 big targets up forward.
                        Even his first goal came from a pretty impressive mark. Used his knee to legally nudge his opponent out of the contest and never looked like dropping it.

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                        • ScottH
                          It's Goodes to cheer!!
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 23665

                          #13
                          Originally posted by liz
                          Even his first goal came from a pretty impressive mark. Used his knee to legally nudge his opponent out of the contest and never looked like dropping it.
                          That's right, I was trying to remember his first. It was impressive, thx Liz.

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                          • SimonH
                            Salt future's rising
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 1647

                            #14
                            Originally posted by gilze
                            IIRC Buchanan kicked out of bounds twice and a behind, all from kickable positions. IMO he either has to move to the midfield more or spend time in teh reserves and maybe give Schneider who kicked another bag of 6 a go.
                            Great instincts, works hard defensively to keep the ball in the zone, good at hunting the packs and being in the right spot, but just cannot kick the footy through the goals! This is a bit of a serious flaw for a forward.

                            Unfortunately, yesterday was not an aberration. The stats nerds will have the exact figures, but his goals:behinds ratio across his career is not pretty at all. If he can't correct this very very rapidly, then he has to make a niche for himself as a rover (remember them?) or small backman, or he's gone, sorry to say.

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                            • NMWBloods
                              Taking Refuge!!
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 15819

                              #15
                              Originally posted by SimonH
                              The stats nerds will have the exact figures
                              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

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