Sick of It

[Mike_B]

Originally posted by Syd Swan
On another point, a lot of people say that we need to finish in the top 8 otherwise the crowds will drop away, I think that if we continue to play this crap style it is going to happen anyway. I can't imagine the people of Sydney spending their Sunday afternoons going to watch some of the most boring football ever played in the history of the game. From what I can gather the Sydney public want to see exicting football, with high marking, high scoring games.

Yep, the crowds might drop away more slowly than if we miss the finals for a couple of years in a row, but they will definitely drop away. We're already seeing that happen this year.

[Syd Swan]

Originally posted by Mike_B
Yep, the crowds might drop away more slowly than if we miss the finals for a couple of years in a row, but they will definitely drop away. We're already seeing that happen this year.

So why not let them drop away for a couple of years and lets rebuild the team. We will still get at a guess 20000 die hard supporters to the games. I lived in Sydney from mid to late 80's and would regularly go to the games. I am not sure on the exact crowd numbers for that period but often there was a fair crowd in attendance. This was not just the glory years of Capper and co by the way.

[Chubby Muffler]

Originally posted by Syd Swan
So why not let them drop away for a couple of years and lets rebuild the team. We will still get at a guess 20000 die hard supporters to the games.

But we have been through this already, we should be getting to a peak of some kind. Stepping up. The rebuilding was meant to have happened by now. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!!!!! I WANNA FLAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Syd Swan]

Originally posted by Chubby Muffler
But we have been through this already, we should be getting to a peak of some kind. Stepping up. The rebuilding was meant to have happened by now. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!!!!! I WANNA FLAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So do I, hopefully before I cark it. I have been waiting over forty years.

[footyhead]

This is essentialy the argument I have been making for over a year.

Everybody said that I was asking us to tank.

What I was asking for was not to tank, but to develope a game plan and culture at the Swans that allowed the team to develop an attacking game, even if in the short term this meant that we fell down the ladder.

The fans are turning away with this boring style of play.

The Swans have made the classic mistake of thinking that their audience is dumb. We are smart and will tolerate a fall down the ladder if we can see a genuine rbuild of the team happening while unearthing young talent that we groom and help to reach their potentiol through support, rather than making them feel like idiots for not being able to enact an idiotic and overreaching game plan. (to an extent both rodney and roos have done this).

Give the Sydney public a young attacking team like this years hawks, with the real potential to win a flagg in the next 5 years, while serving up entertaining footy in the mean time, and the majority of fans will stick by the Swans- no matter where they finish on the ladder in the next 3 years.

[Syd Swan]

Originally posted by footyhead
This is essentialy the argument I have been making for over a year.

Everybody said that I was asking us to tank.

What I was asking for was not to tank, but to develope a game plan and culture at the Swans that allowed the team to develop an attacking game, even if in the short term this meant that we fell down the ladder.

The fans are turning away with this boring style of play.

The Swans have made the classic mistake of thinking that their audience is dumb. We are smart and will tolerate a fall down the ladder if we can see a genuine rbuild of the team happening while unearthing young talent that we groom and help to reach their potentiol through support, rather than making them feel like idiots for not being able to enact an idiotic and overreaching game plan. (to an extent both rodney and roos have done this).

Give the Sydney public a young attacking team like this years hawks, with the real potential to win a flagg in the next 5 years, while serving up entertaining footy in the mean time, and the majority of fans will stick by the Swans- no matter where they finish on the ladder in the next 3 years.

Exactly footyhead, I can accept losing if we are playing attacking football and blooding youngsters. Like you I don't want us to tank games, but I just can't see the point in playing this **** brand of football so as we can just make the eight to supposedly keep the Sydney public happy.

[Chubby Muffler]

Originally posted by footyhead
This is essentialy the argument I have been making for over a year.

Everybody said that I was asking us to tank.

What I was asking for was not to tank, but to develope a game plan and culture at the Swans that allowed the team to develop an attacking game, even if in the short term this meant that we fell down the ladder.

The fans are turning away with this boring style of play.

The Swans have made the classic mistake of thinking that their audience is dumb. We are smart and will tolerate a fall down the ladder if we can see a genuine rbuild of the team happening while unearthing young talent that we groom and help to reach their potentiol through support, rather than making them feel like idiots for not being able to enact an idiotic and overreaching game plan. (to an extent both rodney and roos have done this).

Give the Sydney public a young attacking team like this years hawks, with the real potential to win a flagg in the next 5 years, while serving up entertaining footy in the mean time, and the majority of fans will stick by the Swans- no matter where they finish on the ladder in the next 3 years.

Man, that is the best post of yours I have read in yonks. Your point on the Hawks is bang on.

[jc_freak54]

Re: Sick of It

Originally posted by motorace_182

This is absolute crap. We have: Adam Goodes (Bronlow Medalist!!), Barry Hall, Micheal O'Loughlin, Leo Barry, Brett Kirk, Jude Bolton... every single one has the ability to turn a game on its head. For anyone to say that we dont have the talent, they are just making excuses. Paul Roos filled this same team with passion and confidence and took us to a Preliminary Final! We have more youngsters than ever pressing for selection. Noone can say that we dont have the names or guns to match it with those in the top 8.

When you have a forward line with Hall, Magic, ROK, Ball, Goodes etc packing it, why wouldnt you fang it in long? To have the 2nd LOWEST Inside 50s EVER is a disgrace.

I'm with this you Moto. There's just too many excuses. As much as I hate the Sydney criticism, much of it is true. I hate the way they're playing - mainly because they're not winning. And for Paul Roos to say that we don't have any superstar players only brings down the confidence of the team. Jude Bolton, Adam Goodes, Barry Hall, Leo Barry? Then there will be three or four different players that will step up in different weeks, we DO have a team that can match it with the best. You wonder why Schneider can't back himself, because he doesn't have the opportunity to run! There is no intensity in their gameplan. I hate it.

[ScottH]

It's not just the Hawks, the tigers have some exciting young talent too.

And who couldn't help get excited (and frustrated from a Swans pov) when Xavier Clarke got the ball on Saturday night. He has exceptional evasive skills and speed. You can hear the buzz in the crowd when players like him get the ball, like Schneider in last yrs bombers game (MCG), just b4 he did his hammy. If only he could find that form (in the seniors).

Aaron Davey is the same for Melbourne, an excitement machine.

[Mike_B]

Originally posted by ScottH
It's not just the Hawks, the tigers have some exciting young talent too.

And who couldn't help get excited (and frustrated from a Swans pov) when Xavier Clarke got the ball on Saturday night. He has exceptional evasive skills and speed. You can hear the buzz in the crowd when players like him get the ball, like Schneider in last yrs bombers game (MCG), just b4 he did his hammy. If only he could find that form (in the seniors).

Aaron Davey is the same for Melbourne, an excitement machine.

And we've just got Ben Mathews who makes curling look exciting in comparison!

[Sean]

Whilst I understand the criticism of Roos, isn't he actually right? Surely no-one watched Saturday night and thought geez our boys are playing well. So much talent - if only the gameplan was better.

Our skills were nothing short of pathetic - we do not have superstars in our team - well, maybe one.

The interesting thing is that no-one can name more than two stars in our midfield and quite frankly naming B1 as a superstar is an extreme stretch.

In 2003 we had a midfield of B1, Kirk, Williams, Maxfield & Cressa. In 2005 it's B1, Kirk, Ablett, Crouch & Mathews. Surely that's far worse and not talented enough at this stage.

In a year or two hopefully McVeigh, Willoughby, Schmidt and Moore will be part of the midfield but until then I'm not sure that Roos is wrong.

[giant]

Originally posted by Sean
Whilst I understand the criticism of Roos, isn't he actually right? Surely no-one watched Saturday night and thought geez our boys are playing well. So much talent - if only the gameplan was better.

Our skills were nothing short of pathetic - we do not have superstars in our team - well, maybe one.

The interesting thing is that no-one can name more than two stars in our midfield and quite frankly naming B1 as a superstar is an extreme stretch.

In 2003 we had a midfield of B1, Kirk, Williams, Maxfield & Cressa. In 2005 it's B1, Kirk, Ablett, Crouch & Mathews. Surely that's far worse and not talented enough at this stage.

In a year or two hopefully McVeigh, Willoughby, Schmidt and Moore will be part of the midfield but until then I'm not sure that Roos is wrong.

Tend to agree Sean. In reality, given the closeness of the competition only those teams with superb midfields (WCE, Melbourne, Geelong) or with nothing to lose (Hawks, Tigers) can really be playing that expansive game plan (Dockers try but lose as many as they win).

The rest of us need to make do with outstanding effort & when the effort or the skill level isn't there we pay the price.

I don't think that excuses the sort of ultra-defensive game plan that Roos has resorted to at times but it does suggest that playing "exciting" footy is not the answer at this stage of our evolution

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Sean
Our skills were nothing short of pathetic - we do not have superstars in our team - well, maybe one.

How many teams do have superstars? Not a lot. Who are the superstars in the comp?

We have 3 or 4 who go close (Goodes, MOL, Hall, Williams).

In 2003 we had a midfield of B1, Kirk, Williams, Maxfield & Cressa. In 2005 it's B1, Kirk, Ablett, Crouch & Mathews. Surely that's far worse and not talented enough at this stage.

In a year or two hopefully McVeigh, Willoughby, Schmidt and Moore will be part of the midfield but until then I'm not sure that Roos is wrong.

Why isn't Kennelly in the midfield and why aren't some of these youngsters getting more gametime?

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Why isn't Kennelly in the midfield and why aren't some of these youngsters getting more gametime?

Probably because of the commentary of so many people on forums like this. Roos obviously wants to develop them over time, shielding them from unrealistic expectations of the fans, commentators and Demetriou. Its not enough that they have to go out and win, but they have to be "exciting" whilst they do it.

No other team gets asked to do this expressly. If you want to know why McVeigh, Schneider, Bevan and Buchanan are failing in their second year, then you can put it down to this tripe. Sure they were great in their first year, when they were a revelation and noone expected anything from them, but now they have to be better and "more exciting".

One supporter says Schneider should back himself more... then when he tries to take a run through the centre and the bounce of the ball evades him he is a "mug lair".

Crouch and Bucky should take more shots at goal instead of trying to handball to another player, but if they miss they get pilloried for their poor accuracy.

BTW - is anyone aware that part way through the WCE game on the weekend they mentioned that Judd was 5-10 for the year? Didn't tack on how horribly innacurate he was. He is still only 6-11 now.

[Sean]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
How many teams do have superstars?

Well, Brisbane had about 15

We have 3 or 4 who go close (Goodes, MOL, Hall, Williams).

Three of those four are only there on reputation though. I'd suggest that teams like Hawthorn, Collingwood & Carlton probably have more.

Why isn't Kennelly in the midfield and why aren't some of these youngsters getting more gametime?

Good question but we would still lose with the kids playing - probably lose more often and Roos would say the same thing. I agree though - we may not be doing enough to unearth our next superstar.