Koschitzke

[ugg]

Doyle has no trade value, no other club will touch him due to his injuries.

[cruiser]

Originally posted by robbieando
I would offer Our first picks and Doyle for Koschitzke and I think the club would be thinking the same way rather than an O'Keefe.

Doyle!!! LOL. We'd have trouble giving him away.

[robbieando]

Originally posted by Charlie
I understand Hall, Barry and Goodes. I can vaguely understand Magic, Jude and Kirk. Can even understand ROK... but come on, C-Bolt, Jolly and Nog? As much as I like all three of these players (ok, so maybe I haven't really warmed to Jolly yet)... Kosi is worth all three of them put together.

Worth is in the eye of the beholder, Charlie. Sure Kosi would be a huge pick up but lets look at facts - he has been injury prone his entire playing career and as a CHB has hardly even played there and is a position he doesn't enjoy playing. So basically he either is a CHF (a position we already have Hall in) or pinch-hit ruckman (in the style of Goodes).

As for my list Hall, Barry and Goodes are untouchable, Jude and Kirk midfield wise are too important and we don't have the replacements we need to give them up. ROK is a difference maker and the 3 you don't agree with my opinion and reasons why are:

Jolly is our only young, fit, match hardened ruckman on the list and therefore untradable from that standpoint. C-Bolt is highly unrated and a very important part of our defence who while not as good or worth as much as Kosi, is a player I DON'T want to lose and Ablett is only now starting to reach his protental and as a club with so few midfield options that look as promising as him he would be near on untradable.

Another list would go Ball, Williams Maxfield and Magic who we wouldn't find any takers for regardless of how good they are.

Open your other eye, mate.

It is. We gave up a first round pick for Jolly a year ago and St Kilda do have a lack of depth at the position and price wise would fit into their cap quite well, plus as a ruckman who can play forward can at least make up for the loss of Kosi better than anyother player we have and are willing to trade.

Hopefully he isn't a) that egocentric and b) that short-sighted.

You would hope so, but that would mean he stays put. I can't see us getting St Kilda to even trade with us and I can't see us matching what Carlton have to offer.

I don't think it's quite so clear-cut. Carlton certainly have the picks, but any player they're willing to trade is rubbish (Whitnall, Lappin, Campo etc = nothing of any interest to the Saints)

Your forgetting Charlie that St Kilda nearly completed a deal for Whitnall last year and would be far better than anything the Swans coaching staff would be willing to give up.

... also, they'll come under a lot of pressure from their fans to keep both top picks.

Not if it nets them a player like Kosi, but even if they do keep their pick, they have the pre season draft up their sleve. Basically our only hope is St Kilda not working a deal with Carlton and trading with us to get something for Kosi at the very least. Just like what happened with us and Lockett. Richmond's failure to work a trade meant we could offer less than what St Kilda wanted and get the Best Full Forward of our time.

[DST]

Would be a fantastic acquisition to the club, but unfortunately with no early picks the cost would be to high for us.

The only realistic chance of getting him is if he ended his current contract, walked out on the club and then priced himself out of the draft for any other clubs.

The likelyhood of that, is about as high as Collingwood winning a premiership with Malthouse as coach with a midfield of Woewoden, Holland and O'Bree

DST

[DST]

Originally posted by ugg
Doyle has no trade value, no other club will touch him due to his injuries.

And with our current ruck stocks is going nowhere at present unless we got an equal value ruckman in exchange.

We are just to light on for starting ruckman at this stage to trade him. End of next year or the next maybe different though........

DST

[Newbie]

I think we should all wait until Kosi decides where to go first before throwing names around. Until he decides to leave, I would put no one on the table yet.

[Grant]

I heard a rumour that he was from NSW somewhere, is that true?
Surely if he was then we have a really good chance

[Sean]

Originally posted by Grant
I heard a rumour that he was from NSW somewhere, is that true?
Surely if he was then we have a really good chance

He's from somewhere near Albury so he is from NSW but it's closer to Melbourne than Sydney. Also he played U18s for the Murray Bushrangers rather than the Rams so I doubt if he'd feel particularly "drawn" to Sydney.

[Rob-bloods]

Kosi has finally fulfilled that potential, but over three games. He would be a fantastic addition for us, ....fit, let's see whether he falls over in the next month or so when things heat up.

I still see Saints as downhill skiers at present, and digressing a little, thank god our president, despite his shortcomings, doesn't have a George Michael beard!

[SXP]

Hmm, that's all very interesting, but when Ox on WLF mentioned a club north of Albury, he wasn't specific about Sydney. So, IMO, Brisbane could be in the play as well. So, don't be so 100% sure that Sydney Swans were the ones offering Kosi that salary.

[TheHood]

Originally posted by SXP
Hmm, that's all very interesting, but when Ox on WLF mentioned a club north of Albury, he wasn't specific about Sydney. So, IMO, Brisbane could be in the play as well. So, don't be so 100% sure that Sydney Swans were the ones offering Kosi that salary.

Spot on. I thought about that too and after a while decided Brisbane was the more likely. They would be looking for that Lynch type replacement, ie rotating he and Brown, leaving Bradshaw a permanent backman. Could be Leppa's last year at the club.

They have the room in their cap because as far as I know, haven't given any major pay rises and Lynchy, McRae and co were costing them a bit.

[Bart]

Re: Koschitzke

Originally posted by Charlie
The Kosi-to-Sydney rumours aren't going away, and this makes me very glad indeed. Kosi is a top three player in the competition at the moment. He's worthy of being our best payed player.

I'd trade our first two picks and, say, Ryan O'Keefe in an instant. That's not intended to denigrate ROK - but if we were able to pick up Koschitzke, he could be our most important recruit since Plugger. Yes. I know that includes Hall.

Charlie, I would say you are on the money with that trade deal. I wouldn't imagine the Saints trading for anything less. Although when push comes to shove and no othe club can meet his salary expectations clubs often cave in at the last minute (Davis from Pies for example)

Kosi is a gun, and has the potential to be one of the true stars of the comp for the next ten years.

[ScottH]

Re: Re: Koschitzke

Originally posted by Bart
Charlie, I would say you are on the money with that trade deal. I wouldn't imagine the Saints trading for anything less. Although when push comes to shove and no othe club can meet his salary expectations clubs often cave in at the last minute (Davis from Pies for example)

Kosi is a gun, and has the potential to be one of the true stars of the comp for the next ten years.

Or ends up in the draft going to the bottom team (Carlton, anyway) for a nothing. Although I doubt StK would let that happen.

[Snowy]

Originally posted by SXP
Hmm, that's all very interesting, but when Ox on WLF mentioned a club north of Albury, he wasn't specific about Sydney. So, IMO, Brisbane could be in the play as well. So, don't be so 100% sure that Sydney Swans were the ones offering Kosi that salary.

Lions are too close to their salary cap limits to offer that sort of money. In any case they haven't had a history of doing that. They got Michael from the Pies but he was a Queenslander and the price was around 300k which Collingwood baulked at.

[Snowy]

BTW I can't believe that anyone can put Luke Ablett off limits in a possible trade for Kosi, Ablett's ok but he's not in Koschitzke's league. Other clubs would laugh at that.