Player rankings

[Snowy]

Just as a matter of interest despite Matthew's 20 touches he was rated the 25th most effective player on the ground. The stats don't lie on this occasion. CSD analyse the effectiveness of each kick, handball and so on. Goodes was easily best on the ground and had one of the most remarkable games ever according to their ratings system. The top six Swans were Goodes, Kirk, Ball, B1, Davis and ROK. Interesting to see Jolly 4th last. Schneider was rated worst. On the overall ranking system the Crows were about 50 points better.

[liz]

Re: Player rankings

Originally posted by Snowy
The top six Swans were Goodes, Kirk, Ball, B1, Davis and ROK.

But hang-on, wasn't ROK so awful that he's single-handedly cost the club a decent tilt at the premiership?

[ScottH]

Re: Re: Player rankings

Originally posted by liz
But hang-on, wasn't ROK so awful that he's single-handedly cost the club a decent tilt at the premiership?

"Effective Player" doesn't mean he was effective for the team he played for.

[Snowy]

Well it seems you're being facetious Liz but what it doesn't do is penalise players for missed shots unless they're OOTF when they then count as a clanger. ROK did miss goals at crucial times but I would say his biggest sin was to miss gettable ones. But to be quite honest I think his form has been pretty good lately and he, Goodes and Davis pumped it into the 50 the most number of times with Goodes being outstanding in this area. And ROK also had the most number of marks on the ground just shading Bock, Davis and Goodes.

[liz]

My comments weren't a dig at you, Snowy - rather others who seemed to have blamed the loss on ROK.

No-one disagrees that he missed shots on goal that he should have kicked, and in the end they were costly. However, it seems to be being ignored how hard he worked to get himself into a position to at least have those shots for goal, not to mention the other play that he created for others.

It doesn't make his poor goal kicking excusable - just suggests that if we are looking to blame anyone for the loss (which I'm personally not - it was a decent team effort under the circumstances, even if ultimately fruitless), then it's harsh to blame it on him.

[NMWBloods]

The number of clangers was shocking.

Net of free kicks:
Adelaide 18
Sydney 35

Worst offenders:
J Bolton 3
O'Keefe 5
Buchanan 4
Mathews 3
O'Loughlin 4
Williams 3
Ablett 4

[Sanecow]

No-one disagrees that he missed shots on goal that he should have kicked, and in the end they were costly.

Davis and Kennelly had morale sapping misses that made you throw things around the room as well.

[Snowy]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Davis and Kennelly had morale sapping misses that made you throw things around the room as well.

they were annoying misses but probably one of ROK's and Buchanan's posters were the worst ; you just shouldn't miss them. I think to be fair to Kennelly he'd run hard, it's a big ground which was slippery with the dew and by the last quarter you tend to get less depth in your kicking because of fatigue. But in his case he missed badly. Davis should have kicked his, though it was no gimme and it just missed. But these blokes have to realise that that could be the difference in a tight final, somehow they just have to get them to go through. Had Davis kicked that last one my gut feeling is that the Crows would have flooded the backline or caused another stoppage in the time left, but we'll never know.

[giant]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Davis and Kennelly had morale sapping misses that made you throw things around the room as well.

Just not as many as ROK - & I'd already thrown everything at him by the time their misses came.

This "oh but at least he got the ball a lot of times, just unlucky he missed the shots" view of ROK's game belongs to the same school of mediocrity as the "well at least LRT didn't get in anyone's way this week" view. Often it's wrong to make a scapegoat of one person - but you know sometimes it's just plain rite.

Acknowledge the good work ROK has done in the past & the last few weeks in particular, but you know what - he may NEVER again get the chance to get us into second place again. And he's just blown us this chance.

[cruiser]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Davis and Kennelly had morale sapping misses that made you throw things around the room as well.

I'm still throwing things around the room about these misses and some others. Two days later and I've still got a face on about losing that game. Its tormenting to know that we should have won it.

[BonBon]

I can't believe Ryan is listed under Sydney's best. Can somebody tell me what went wrong here?

[BAM_BAM]

Originally posted by giant
Often it's wrong to make a scapegoat of one person - but you know sometimes it's just plain rite.

Acknowledge the good work ROK has done in the past & the last few weeks in particular, but you know what - he may NEVER again get the chance to get us into second place again. And he's just blown us this chance.

pft.

I don't suppose the four minutes where the midfield and backs forgot to play had anything to do with it either.

[Wazza]

Originally posted by Snowy
they were annoying misses but probably one of ROK's and Buchanan's posters were the worst ; you just shouldn't miss them. I think to be fair to Kennelly he'd run hard, it's a big ground which was slippery with the dew and by the last quarter you tend to get less depth in your kicking because of fatigue. But in his case he missed badly. Davis should have kicked his, though it was no gimme and it just missed. But these blokes have to realise that that could be the difference in a tight final, somehow they just have to get them to go through. Had Davis kicked that last one my gut feeling is that the Crows would have flooded the backline or caused another stoppage in the time left, but we'll never know.

I felt Barry Halls miss as the worse, directly in front good play to get the ball to him I thought it was a real morale sapper.

[Wazza]

Originally posted by BonBon
I can't believe Ryan is listed under Sydney's best. Can somebody tell me what went wrong here?

I thought ROK had a good game did some really tough work around the packs had some nice touches, fair enough missed a couple of gettables ( dont care if thats a word or not)
but he worked his butt off all night with plenty of 1% ers.

I would question the effort and work rate of Nick Davis before a ROK - definately was in Sydneys best - dont focus on the stats.

Cheers

Waz

[Sean]

Originally posted by BAM_BAM
pft.

I don't suppose the four minutes where the midfield and backs forgot to play had anything to do with it either.

I agree. Mickey's dropped mark when no-one was near him and his OOBOTF when Goodes was alone in front of goal didn't help either.

ROK had a bit of a shocker but blaming him for the loss is going too far. He was partly to blame - as were a bunch of others.